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Post by Elly Sea on Sept 11, 2015 1:47:44 GMT
As anyone who's been following this series at all should be aware, there is a Demon King. He looks like Blow with long hair and slit pupils, wears a shapeless black robe, and all the demons seem to really like him. He also seems to have had something horrible happen to him to make him go MIA. Currently, some version of him is residing in Rood's mindscape (or whatever that vaguely defined dark area was) alongside Demon Face.
And yet in this chapter we see tha![]() t, before being killed by the Tower, Demon Face was the Demon King. No biggie, maybe they're the dragon!Dio-human!Dio equivalents of each other, right? Except then we get this line: "Their [king] is more than one". Since that's one awkward English sentence, I'm assuming it was translated more-or-less word-for-word from Korean. I'd be interested to see lonemanga's take on that line (yay for multiple groups translating!) but for now we just have to assume mangacow got it more-or-less right. Sooo... there's multiple Demon Kings? Like, at once, or as in a new one (Raven) took the throne after Demon Face was killed, or the Demon King has his own Holy Trinity going on, or the Demon King gets reincarnated after dying, or the Demon King is like a star fish and his broken off horn grew into a new Demon King, or...?
So after having my mind be blown away to some very strange places, I went back to re-read that part, and noticed something I was too blown over to pick up on the first time. My reaction is superimposed in red:
 Hello, glowing blue orb on the other side of a split screen? What brings you here? No, seriously, what are you doing here?!
At this point, I don't even know anymore! Is it supposed to symbolise Raven (blue orb = blue eyes... maybe?) and if so, what is that supposed to hint at! Ugghh... This is just like back in chapter 119!
 And yellow orb = yellow eyes = Demon Face... maybe?
I realise this post is all over the place, but after reading this chapter my brain is all over the place. So, since my brain is too befuddled to make sense of any of this, what's everybody else's opinion on the quote in the subject line, and how it does/does not connect with everything else introduced so far?
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Post by tg on Sept 11, 2015 5:46:06 GMT
Actually, I'm starting to think this "more than one Demon King" may be for real.
I think that captured Demon King isn't Rood's former form, but another Demon King. I mentioned this in the chapter discussion thread. It's starting to make some sense as to why that captured demon, in Rood's subconsciousness, called Rood his "brethren", but that word can also mean "brother". Interesting how this all works out.
What if DemonKing!Rood had a Demon King brother?
As for the orbs? In the current episodes, I think that orb is from their glowing circle? There are a lot of orbs floating around in the Tower. I thought that represents mana?
As for the yellow orb, I thought that may be the tracker that Mikel threw on Dio? Possibly? I don't know for real....
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Post by midori on Sept 11, 2015 18:21:41 GMT
From all the discussion on disqus and also what non said , this is what i came up with:
There is only one king ,GK(giant king in the tower):. BUT long ago that king was captured and killed but his body had a large storage of mana so the tower used him as their mana source but since the body will also decay or something one day they need to find a new body in which they can transfer all that mana so that they can keep using it but not everyone is capable of accepting the king's mana.
so the tower held the ceremony in which they sent individuals (adults then children) to the demon world to see who can survive and so they will use that surviver as the new host a.k.a the new king.
then after that ceremony (method to find the candidate) comes the ritual, in which they would perform the transfering of the kings mana into the new king aka the host. But although the ceremony was successful, the ritual failed.
Now, what i understood by more than one king:
The original king's (GK) soul is tranfered from one demon to another in the demon world thus forming the new demon king ( the soul is same but the body is new)....and so after GK was killed his soul was transfered to Raven and thus Raven became the new king (basically Gk and Raven are same )....something happened and raven also vanished....and i think the soul was then transfered to Rood but the memories of the previous bodies are repressed since he is human and maybe some other reason....but the demons are able to recognize him as their king.
Now there is question about whats inside lidusis??
i think along with the soul ,the strength is also transfered but...although the soul was transfered to rood but the strength was stolen by lispen and ended up in lidusis....but it actually belongs to rood (the demon king)
um...did i make any sense?
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Post by SS on Sept 11, 2015 19:20:05 GMT
From all the discussion on disqus and also what non said , this is what i came up with:
There is only one king ,GK(giant king in the tower):. BUT long ago that king was captured and killed but his body had a large storage of mana so the tower used him as their mana source but since the body will also decay or something one day they need to find a new body in which they can transfer all that mana so that they can keep using it but not everyone is capable of accepting the king's mana.
so the tower held the ceremony in which they sent individuals (adults then children) to the demon world to see who can survive and so they will use that surviver as the new host a.k.a the new king.
then after that ceremony (method to find the candidate) comes the ritual, in which they would perform the transfering of the kings mana into the new king aka the host. But although the ceremony was successful, the ritual failed.
Now, what i understood by more than one king:
The original king's (GK) soul is tranfered from one demon to another in the demon world thus forming the new demon king ( the soul is same but the body is new)....and so after GK was killed his soul was transfered to Raven and thus Raven became the new king (basically Gk and Raven are same )....something happened and raven also vanished....and i think the soul was then transfered to Rood but the memories of the previous bodies are repressed since he is human and maybe some other reason....but the demons are able to recognize him as their king.
Now there is question about whats inside lidusis??
i think along with the soul ,the strength is also transfered but...although the soul was transfered to rood but the strength was stolen by lispen and ended up in lidusis....but it actually belongs to rood (the demon king)
um...did i make any sense?
I finally read NON's comments and he just "found it odd that there would be more than one king if it was for the same area" or something.... which I must agree with him on that one actually 
I have been too busy to have the time to read the latest chapters properly so... I can't disapprove of it yet because I've only skimmed the dialogue...
The other 2 people who gives out proper notes are also busy (Both of them are much busier than I am actually) so NON doesn't have the notes yet from what he's said in the comment section.
He has also claimed that his reasoning might be more off than usual because he doesn't have the notes and is just going by gut feeling or what not.
Personally I'm too busy to review the chapter and Wood has a hectic schedule ahead of himself and Saddie (Non's friendly translator) is also being bombed with stuff left and right.
So... I wouldn't say this is accurate or anything because even I don't know since I skimmed... lol
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Post by ghoulchan on Sept 11, 2015 19:29:44 GMT
i don't even know what to think right now... but you know there might be multiple demon clans all whith theiw own "king", but i don't know. i'm probaly talking nonsense again.
i also see that the nickname DemonFace i made up has been used by a few people... well it helps to difranceiate things.
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Post by havoc on Sept 11, 2015 19:48:23 GMT
Since it indeed is more fit to the theory section, I'll move with the talk here. You did well with your theory. What are you talking about that you're not talented?  Haha... I like some of the theories you made. Those first three points are all plausible. However, for your second part, you just need to remember that Rood was the Demon King.  Not just someone, who inherited his abilities. You got me thinking though.... I speculated that the first captured Demon King was Rood, but I could be wrong, because that captured Demon King is the same one with the horn cut off. If it's true that there are other Demon Kings, maybe the captured demon that met Rood in his subconscious is another Demon King? Which explains the "brethren/brother" remark...? Wait, what if the Demon King had a brother? Two Demon Kings? So, the other Demon King got captured? This could explain why we see DemonKing!Rood in human form in all the flashbacks with him. Oh great. I just made this more complicated for Rood! D: This story may be very brotherly love if Rood once had a demon brother. So, this other Demon King got captured. This Demon King may be the cause of the demons coming out then? He may be the one, who opened the Door that the human king discovered? So, DemonKing!Rood may have followed him to get him back? DemonKing!Rood ends up being the one to save the humans. So wait... Maybe the past history wasn't fully twisted? But, there were two Demon Kings, then? Hence, why that ancient book said "more than one". I'm going to stop brainstorming for now. @__@ Maybe, put some of this into the theory thread....? It's getting wild. Whenever I try to write down my thoughts, It becomes a mess and I feel disheartened to continue, doubting that anyone will understand my way of thinking. -_-That is, unless I make a list, like the one above. I hope it is clear enough T_T I'm trying not to rule out any possibilities, so I'm reluctant to decide whether to support theory that Rood is 100% demon or human. The numbers of pros and cons for both theories are even. Like Dio and Lispen calling him a DK. But a the same time, he had a human mother... I also thought, that 'demon king' could be a species of demons. Like there are dragon shaped demons, fish shaped, and.... Demon Kings? That's why Blow was called a brethren. He got mistaken for Raven, as a member of demons Royality. Which consist of demons related by blood, who holds superior strengh, has unlimited mana, are basically far more stronger than any other ones. And are highly respected, to add. So as a part of happy family, I'd count Ruby (who were to become new DK), Raven (for obvious reasons) and GiantHornedDemonWhoAdorablyWantedToHoldBlow'sHand, ekhem! the one saying brethren, and some more, not introduced in the story.Then they would all come to a meeting where they decide who's the most suitable to inherit [strengh] and become absolute ruler of underworld! (Yey for democracy!) It could fit with your 'demon sibilings' quite well. Although, there are too many flaws, it's still funny to think of. Oh my, did I just start to mix in another theory? |
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Post by tg on Sept 12, 2015 5:51:10 GMT
@ Havoc: (And thanks for moving the discussion down to here.) ^___^ I think your theory is definitely being very mixed, indeed. Haha... Interesting that you think of the Demon Kings as being a "species" of demons. Never thought of it that way. That's a lot of thoughts. Keep going if you want in the near future. And even if they're not perfect, and have some slight issues of their own, it does help pass the time. If you don't mind, I'd like to make a slight constructive criticism to your theory: you'll have to find a way to theorize why Rood looks exactly like the human-like Demon King, except with longer hair, hair color is black, and is taller..... Since, you mentioned Blow being mistaken for his identity, when Blow already looks identical to the Demon King, except for the hair length and eyes. Then, you have to remember Dio and Lipsen's recognition of Rood's previous identity. ....Then, that demon eye thingie in the sky...... ^____^ See where I'm going with this? Just as an example to help you on your theory making. (Basically, re-tooling one's own theory is a healthy way to brainstorm even more. If you find any flaws in your theory, all you have to do is go back to it and re-write it.) Anyways, I like that you are trying to remain open-minded, while thinking. At this point in the story, while we know more, we still know so little. ^__^ From all the discussion on disqus and also what non said , this is what i came up with:
There is only one king ,GK(giant king in the tower):. BUT long ago that king was captured and killed but his body had a large storage of mana so the tower used him as their mana source but since the body will also decay or something one day they need to find a new body in which they can transfer all that mana so that they can keep using it but not everyone is capable of accepting the king's mana.
so the tower held the ceremony in which they sent individuals (adults then children) to the demon world to see who can survive and so they will use that surviver as the new host a.k.a the new king.
then after that ceremony (method to find the candidate) comes the ritual, in which they would perform the transfering of the kings mana into the new king aka the host. But although the ceremony was successful, the ritual failed.
Now, what i understood by more than one king:
The original king's (GK) soul is tranfered from one demon to another in the demon world thus forming the new demon king ( the soul is same but the body is new)....and so after GK was killed his soul was transfered to Raven and thus Raven became the new king (basically Gk and Raven are same )....something happened and raven also vanished....and i think the soul was then transfered to Rood but the memories of the previous bodies are repressed since he is human and maybe some other reason....but the demons are able to recognize him as their king.
Now there is question about whats inside lidusis??
i think along with the soul ,the strength is also transfered but...although the soul was transfered to rood but the strength was stolen by lispen and ended up in lidusis....but it actually belongs to rood (the demon king)
um...did i make any sense?
Same soul transfer? I think I understand this theory almost completely. Ruby doesn't seem to need the same soul in order to become the next Demon King. All she wants is the Demon King's power. (If she was the owner of that same soul, she would've probably gone over to the human world and rage against the Tower as a revenge.) However, you did make me think of a theory that's brainstorming in my head, but instead of one sole soul transferring over.... (Other than Rood's own soul being reincarnated from the other Demon King...) I think all Demon Kings have their own souls. I also think the tied up Demon King's soul may have went back to the demon world. Somehow, if Rood did go through the "Ritual" and ended up in the demon world, he may have made contact with that tied up Demon King? So, two Demon King souls made contact with each other. Uh... But anyways, until we get some clarified notes from Non, it's really hard to actually pin-point on something very concrete here. ^__^ |
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Post by midori on Sept 12, 2015 6:47:06 GMT
@ Havoc: (And thanks for moving the discussion down to here.) ^___^ I think your theory is definitely being very mixed, indeed. Haha... Interesting that you think of the Demon Kings as being a "species" of demons. Never thought of it that way. That's a lot of thoughts. Keep going if you want in the near future. And even if they're not perfect, and have some slight issues of their own, it does help pass the time. If you don't mind, I'd like to make a slight constructive criticism to your theory: you'll have to find a way to theorize why Rood looks exactly like the human-like Demon King, except with longer hair, hair color is black, and is taller..... Since, you mentioned Blow being mistaken for his identity, when Blow already looks identical to the Demon King, except for the hair length and eyes. Then, you have to remember Dio and Lipsen's recognition of Rood's previous identity. ....Then, that demon eye thingie in the sky...... ^____^ See where I'm going with this? Just as an example to help you on your theory making. (Basically, re-tooling one's own theory is a healthy way to brainstorm even more. If you find any flaws in your theory, all you have to do is go back to it and re-write it.) Anyways, I like that you are trying to remain open-minded, while thinking. At this point in the story, while we know more, we still know so little. ^__^ From all the discussion on disqus and also what non said , this is what i came up with:
There is only one king ,GK(giant king in the tower):. BUT long ago that king was captured and killed but his body had a large storage of mana so the tower used him as their mana source but since the body will also decay or something one day they need to find a new body in which they can transfer all that mana so that they can keep using it but not everyone is capable of accepting the king's mana.
so the tower held the ceremony in which they sent individuals (adults then children) to the demon world to see who can survive and so they will use that surviver as the new host a.k.a the new king.
then after that ceremony (method to find the candidate) comes the ritual, in which they would perform the transfering of the kings mana into the new king aka the host. But although the ceremony was successful, the ritual failed.
Now, what i understood by more than one king:
The original king's (GK) soul is tranfered from one demon to another in the demon world thus forming the new demon king ( the soul is same but the body is new)....and so after GK was killed his soul was transfered to Raven and thus Raven became the new king (basically Gk and Raven are same )....something happened and raven also vanished....and i think the soul was then transfered to Rood but the memories of the previous bodies are repressed since he is human and maybe some other reason....but the demons are able to recognize him as their king.
Now there is question about whats inside lidusis??
i think along with the soul ,the strength is also transfered but...although the soul was transfered to rood but the strength was stolen by lispen and ended up in lidusis....but it actually belongs to rood (the demon king)
um...did i make any sense?
Same soul transfer? I think I understand this theory almost completely. Ruby doesn't seem to need the same soul in order to become the next Demon King. All she wants is the Demon King's power. (If she was the owner of that same soul, she would've probably gone over to the human world and rage against the Tower as a revenge.) However, you did make me think of a theory that's brainstorming in my head, but instead of one sole soul transferring over.... (Other than Rood's own soul being reincarnated from the other Demon King...) I think all Demon Kings have their own souls. I also think the tied up Demon King's soul may have went back to the demon world. Somehow, if Rood did go through the "Ritual" and ended up in the demon world, he may have made contact with that tied up Demon King? So, two Demon King souls made contact with each other. Uh... But anyways, until we get some clarified notes from Non, it's really hard to actually pin-point on something very concrete here. ^__^ I know what you mean...these chapters have made a 180 degree turn...everyone is so confused that they can't even write down their confusions.
but i asked neco to look at this theory too and this is the default in the theory i mentioned above:
"The thing that might throw the "multiple kings with one soul" thing out of the window is the fact that the power of the king was apparently packaged for Rubymonter. She clearly has a different soul than Raven...Perhaps she was meant to hold it for him...? We don't know" :Neco
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Post by midori on Sept 12, 2015 11:12:38 GMT
This chapter has some clues about the ritual too:
1..What did mickel mean when he said "sole survivor" to master?
2..it seems like mikel know about human shaped demons and he also mentioned them while talking to master,so maybe some human shaped demons must have appeared during the ritual too and thats why the ritual failed.....
what are your thoughts about these???
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Post by midori on Sept 12, 2015 11:17:31 GMT
This chapter has some clues about the ritual too:
1..What did mickel mean when he said "sole survivor" to master?
2..it seems like mikel know about human shaped demons and he also mentioned them while talking to master,so maybe some human shaped demons must have appeared during the ritual too and thats why the ritual failed.....
what are your thoughts about these???
Wait, i forgot ..mikel mentioned human turning into demon while talking to master and not human shaped demons...sorry...jeez i've forgotten how to edit a post..
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Post by ghoulchan on Sept 12, 2015 14:57:55 GMT
This chapter has some clues about the ritual too:
1..What did mickel mean when he said "sole survivor" to master?
2..it seems like mikel know about human shaped demons and he also mentioned them while talking to master,so maybe some human shaped demons must have appeared during the ritual too and thats why the ritual failed.....
what are your thoughts about these???
Wait, i forgot ..mikel mentioned human turning into demon while talking to master and not human shaped demons...sorry...jeez i've forgotten how to edit a post..
for the Human turned demon, i thought it refered to Prof Heil... remember that guy? |
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Post by Guest A on Sept 12, 2015 22:19:11 GMT
i don't even know what to think right now... but you know there might be multiple demon clans all whith theiw own "king", but i don't know. i'm probaly talking nonsense again.
i also see that the nickname DemonFace i made up has been used by a few people... well it helps to difranceiate things. I was wondering about the multiple clan thing too. Personally, the whole soul transferring theory really confuses me. I do think that it's possible that the Demon King may be able to reincarnate, as may possibly be the case with Rood, but the whole situation with Ruby kind of throws a wrench in it for me. How is Ruby the king if the king's soul wasn't transferred to her? Why did the Demon King find it necessary to give her powers in the first place? Is she a substitute king? Did the real Demon King decide he wanted to quit being king and just transfer his powers over to her so he wouldn't have to be king for the rest of eternity through his reincarnations?
What I was wondering is if there is multiple demon kings with multiple clans, maybe the Demon King is one ruler and Demon Face is another with Ruby as his successor/daughter (since they look kind of alike) and maybe the Demon King gave Ruby power so that she could take over for Demon Face? I don't know. It's very likely that I'm wrong and that the translation is going to come out and mean something entirely different than what it does now. I'm mostly going off this theory because this one doesn't make my head spin as much.
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Post by midori on Sept 13, 2015 4:05:01 GMT
Wait, i forgot ..mikel mentioned human turning into demon while talking to master and not human shaped demons...sorry...jeez i've forgotten how to edit a post..
for the Human turned demon, i thought it refered to Prof Heil... remember that guy? yup, I know but why is Mikel asking master about this...its Like this must have happened before 8 years ago that Mikel is asking for masters opinion on this. |
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Post by tg on Sept 13, 2015 5:07:52 GMT
Responding to all of your posts in one go, Midori. Thank you for quoting that second post of yours into the third one. Makes it easier to respond.  I know what you mean...these chapters have made a 180 degree turn...everyone is so confused that they can't even write down their confusions.
but i asked neco to look at this theory too and this is the default in the theory i mentioned above:
"The thing that might throw the "multiple kings with one soul" thing out of the window is the fact that the power of the king was apparently packaged for Rubymonter. She clearly has a different soul than Raven...Perhaps she was meant to hold it for him...? We don't know" :Neco
This chapter has some clues about the ritual too:
1..What did mickel mean when he said "sole survivor" to master?
2..it seems like mikel know about human shaped demons and he also mentioned them while talking to master,so maybe some human shaped demons must have appeared during the ritual too and thats why the ritual failed.....
what are your thoughts about these???
Wait, i forgot ..mikel mentioned human turning into demon while talking to master and not human shaped demons...sorry...jeez i've forgotten how to edit a post..
In response to your first post, this is why the theory of "same soul transfer to a lot of Demon Kings" doesn't work well with me either. This is why I feel that full reincarnation has the most sense. It's still a soul transfer, but to a single body. One Demon King, who ceased to exist for some mysterious reason and got reborn as a human. Perhaps, DemonKing!Rood was the most powerful of all Demon Kings, if there was more than one? This multiple Demon King translation definitely needs clarification. If this is all true, we need some serious story explanation as to how this Demon King system works. But, it still contradicts Dio saying Rood was the ruler of them all...... ......... Aaaaaaahhh.... >__< In my view, it appears to me that Ruby truly felt that she "deserved" the power. She doesn't look like the type to hold a power for someone else. (Her personality feels like the type to be the "I'm a tough girl. I look down on all those, who are below my rank. Don't get in my way." ^__^) Hence, she is just another Demon King, but a less powerful one due to the lack of inheriting the Demon King power. We have to also remember that Lispen stole the power years ago, way before Lid and Rood were born. I'm just scratching my head as to why it took Ruby this long just to come out to the human world to look for it? What was holding her back for all these years? (And I almost thought of the demon and human worlds running on different time speeds..., but I found a flaw in that theory. @___@) As for your second and third posts, I agree that we've been seeing some clues about the "Ritual". 1. That's an excellent question, because we know Rood was a survivor. but also Kiel? Theory ---> 1) Supposedly, Kiel was focusing all his attention on Rood. 2) Went to save Rood from the evil relatives. 3) Brought Rood back with him to the Tower (leads to guilt). 4) Hid Rood. 5) Mikel needed more magic adept humans for the experiment. 6) Kiel was either asked or requested to go the demon world with a whole group of other "victims". 7) Kiel went to the demon world. 8) Rood was spying on the whole thing and followed Kiel through the door. 9) Kiel realized Rood was following him. 10) Returned to the human world with Rood. 11) Mikel was highly impressed with the results that Kiel came back sane and healthy. 1 2) Mikel separated Rood from Kiel, and twisted the event by saying Kiel was the only survivor. Why? It could be because ---> 13) The Tower's founder was also impressed with the results, and requested that Mikel change the truth. Meredith has his eyes set on Rood, but why? 14) Perhaps, some testing was done on Rood that caused him to forget his memories? 15) Kiel managed to free himself from the Tower's watchful eyes, and go rescue Rood in that storage room. 16) Kiel runs away with Rood and the rest is history. Now, this theory can still work if Rood was caught wandering around the Tower, alone, by Mikel. Rood had to give off some type of magic in order to be considered a candidate for the experiment. He was then sent through the special demon world door. When word of this came to Kiel's ears, he was enraged and went after Rood. He went through the special door and found Rood. Brought Rood back to the human world. Either scenario can easily draw intrigue, suspicion and rumors in the Tower. However, Meredith seems to find Rood fascinating. He doesn't seem to have interest in Kiel, who is able to absorb mana, but Rood, who may have displayed some form of magic in the Tower. That's the one big puzzle out of all of this. What is Meredith's relationship to Rood? Where did they first meet? Edit edit: Hold it.... I keep forgetting Mikel was speaking to Kiel about being the "sole survivor". So, Mikel definitely does not know of Rood. Meredith may have been the one, who witnessed Rood's return from the demon world? Moving along... Yeah, Mikel spoke of humans being turned into demons. Part of his aim may be that? Magicians are humans with demon powers. For Mikel, maybe, he thought that this wasn't enough? What if he could convert humans to demons to be able to counter all the demons? To make humans stronger? And, this definitely feels like this was an experiment done years ago. Professor Heil must've been one of those experimented on, and he may have been a half success? He got too power hungry though...., which corrupted his mind. So, if Professor Heil wasn't exactly a success, Mikel decided to move on to something greater than just converting humans to demons. What if he could convert humans to be as powerful as the Demon King(s)? Fast-forward to the "Ritual", and this could very well be the case? Mikel craved power in the guise of "demon world research". That scar on his face must have a backstory. There has to be something to it? :0 My brainstorming has reached a limit. ^__^ Any other thoughts or theories, Midori? (Sorry, I made a pretty wordy post, once again. >__<) |
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Post by midori on Sept 13, 2015 11:57:51 GMT
Responding to all of your posts in one go, Midori. Thank you for quoting that second post of yours into the third one. Makes it easier to respond. I know what you mean...these chapters have made a 180 degree turn...everyone is so confused that they can't even write down their confusions.
but i asked neco to look at this theory too and this is the default in the theory i mentioned above:
"The thing that might throw the "multiple kings with one soul" thing out of the window is the fact that the power of the king was apparently packaged for Rubymonter. She clearly has a different soul than Raven...Perhaps she was meant to hold it for him...? We don't know" :Neco
Wait, i forgot ..mikel mentioned human turning into demon while talking to master and not human shaped demons...sorry...jeez i've forgotten how to edit a post..
In response to your first post, this is why the theory of "same soul transfer to a lot of Demon Kings" doesn't work well with me either. This is why I feel that full reincarnation has the most sense. It's still a soul transfer, but to a single body. One Demon King, who ceased to exist for some mysterious reason and got reborn as a human. Perhaps, DemonKing!Rood was the most powerful of all Demon Kings, if there was more than one? This multiple Demon King translation definitely needs clarification. If this is all true, we need some serious story explanation as to how this Demon King system works. But, it still contradicts Dio saying Rood was the ruler of them all...... ......... Aaaaaaahhh.... >__< In my view, it appears to me that Ruby truly felt that she "deserved" the power. She doesn't look like the type to hold a power for someone else. (Her personality feels like the type to be the "I'm a tough girl. I look down on all those, who are below my rank. Don't get in my way." ^__^) Hence, she is just another Demon King, but a less powerful one due to the lack of inheriting the Demon King power. We have to also remember that Lispen stole the power years ago, way before Lid and Rood were born. I'm just scratching my head as to why it took Ruby this long just to come out to the human world to look for it? What was holding her back for all these years? (And I almost thought of the demon and human worlds running on different time speeds..., but I found a flaw in that theory. @___@) As for your second and third posts, I agree that we've been seeing some clues about the "Ritual". 1. That's an excellent question, because we know Rood was a survivor. but also Kiel? Theory ---> 1) Supposedly, Kiel was focusing all his attention on Rood. 2) Went to save Rood from the evil relatives. 3) Brought Rood back with him to the Tower (leads to guilt). 4) Hid Rood. 5) Mikel needed more magic adept humans for the experiment. 6) Kiel was either asked or requested to go the demon world with a whole group of other "victims". 7) Kiel went to the demon world. 8) Rood was spying on the whole thing and followed Kiel through the door. 9) Kiel realized Rood was following him. 10) Returned to the human world with Rood. 11) Mikel was highly impressed with the results that Kiel came back sane and healthy. 1 2) Mikel separated Rood from Kiel, and twisted the event by saying Kiel was the only survivor. Why? It could be because ---> 13) The Tower's founder was also impressed with the results, and requested that Mikel change the truth. Meredith has his eyes set on Rood, but why? 14) Perhaps, some testing was done on Rood that caused him to forget his memories? 15) Kiel managed to free himself from the Tower's watchful eyes, and go rescue Rood in that storage room. 16) Kiel runs away with Rood and the rest is history. Now, this theory can still work if Rood was caught wandering around the Tower, alone, by Mikel. Rood had to give off some type of magic in order to be considered a candidate for the experiment. He was then sent through the special demon world door. When word of this came to Kiel's ears, he was enraged and went after Rood. He went through the special door and found Rood. Brought Rood back to the human world. Either scenario can easily draw intrigue, suspicion and rumors in the Tower. However, Meredith seems to find Rood fascinating. He doesn't seem to have interest in Kiel, who is able to absorb mana, but Rood, who may have displayed some form of magic in the Tower. That's the one big puzzle out of all of this. What is Meredith's relationship to Rood? Where did they first meet? Edit edit: Hold it.... I keep forgetting Mikel was speaking to Kiel about being the "sole survivor". So, Mikel definitely does not know of Rood. Meredith may have been the one, who witnessed Rood's return from the demon world? Moving along... Yeah, Mikel spoke of humans being turned into demons. Part of his aim may be that? Magicians are humans with demon powers. For Mikel, maybe, he thought that this wasn't enough? What if he could convert humans to demons to be able to counter all the demons? To make humans stronger? And, this definitely feels like this was an experiment done years ago. Professor Heil must've been one of those experimented on, and he may have been a half success? He got too power hungry though...., which corrupted his mind. So, if Professor Heil wasn't exactly a success, Mikel decided to move on to something greater than just converting humans to demons. What if he could convert humans to be as powerful as the Demon King(s)? Fast-forward to the "Ritual", and this could very well be the case? Mikel craved power in the guise of "demon world research". That scar on his face must have a backstory. There has to be something to it? :0 My brainstorming has reached a limit. ^__^ Any other thoughts or theories, Midori? (Sorry, I made a pretty wordy post, once again. >__<)
hmm...lets see..
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i think rood was sent to demon world along with other children and then returned with his memories gone and the other children having mental break down too....so none of them could tell anything about what they saw ...the same goes with rood hence they none of the tower magicians recognize him individually.
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as for meredith i don't think he has anything to do with rood's past nor does he know rood personally from past...he just got curious of him bcz rood could sense his presence from that far which only a capable magician is supposed to be able to.
as for his interest in blow, i think he was doing it out of curiosity too...nothing personel..i prefer the wiki translation(summary)
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mikel mentioned to master the "POWER" being used at ishuella to turn a human into demon...what was that power he was talking about?
if we assume that that power was the one that lispen stole from the demon world and gave a bit ofit to heil to turn him into a demon, then taht means lispen was somehow involved with the ritual too (i don't know how though...maybe he was disguised as a tower magician when he came to the demon world and must have gotten some other tower magician involved too and turned him into a demon ...but must have escaped afterwards and became lispen). That would also explain why lispen told rood that humans will do anything, even tear apart their own specie for the sake of power or their own benefit (sorry don't remember the exact dialogue).
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mikel mentioned that the sealed demon king is just a corpse but in blow's concious he was alive..and even called out to him... how is that?
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lispen came to yhe human world with the power long llllllong ago and kept searching for a suitable host to put it in untill lid was born...that means Raven had already vanished from the demon world at the time lispen came to the HW..(i doubt he could steal the power right from raven)...
now then rood was born way after raven vanished....but rood is the demon king or atleast has the soul of the demon king....now then what happened during that major gap between Raven'd disappearence and rood's birth???....where was raven all that time..reincarnation theory doesn't work here.
woh!! i've written pretty long too XD
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Hello, glowing blue orb on the other side of a split screen? What brings you here? No, seriously, what are you doing here?!
And yellow orb = yellow eyes = Demon Face... maybe?
Haha... 
Not just someone, who inherited his abilities. 
