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Post by midori on Sept 13, 2015 12:04:29 GMT
also mikel's story and the story that was told to rood are a total contradiction...unless there are as many truth as there are people..or maybe a demon told that story to rood when he went to demon world and he forgot those memories but remembered the story......but it seems like he doesn't even remember being held and chained as a prisoner...more like he is not even trying to think about it or even linking that story to thecurrent happenings....
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Post by ghoulchan on Sept 13, 2015 12:06:54 GMT
for the Human turned demon, i thought it refered to Prof Heil... remember that guy? yup, I know but why is Mikel asking master about this...its Like this must have happened before 8 years ago that Mikel is asking for masters opinion on this. well we don't know how long Heil has been like that, or atleast i don't... i'll just wait for new chapters to get released, i'm getting confused.
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Post by midori on Sept 13, 2015 12:08:32 GMT
i wonder when everyone will ge5t their stuff back from helios then maybe rood can talk to ren and tell her everything about whats going on...maybe ren knows about rood's relationship to master since she know about rood being blow too..... but i just wish orphell doesn't decide to check rood;s stuff out of curiosity just find that communication ball and rood will be interrogated.... i miss shicmuon TT TT
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Post by ghoulchan on Sept 13, 2015 12:12:03 GMT
i don't even know what to think right now... but you know there might be multiple demon clans all whith theiw own "king", but i don't know. i'm probaly talking nonsense again.
i also see that the nickname DemonFace i made up has been used by a few people... well it helps to difranceiate things. I was wondering about the multiple clan thing too. Personally, the whole soul transferring theory really confuses me. I do think that it's possible that the Demon King may be able to reincarnate, as may possibly be the case with Rood, but the whole situation with Ruby kind of throws a wrench in it for me. How is Ruby the king if the king's soul wasn't transferred to her? Why did the Demon King find it necessary to give her powers in the first place? Is she a substitute king? Did the real Demon King decide he wanted to quit being king and just transfer his powers over to her so he wouldn't have to be king for the rest of eternity through his reincarnations?
What I was wondering is if there is multiple demon kings with multiple clans, maybe the Demon King is one ruler and Demon Face is another with Ruby as his successor/daughter (since they look kind of alike) and maybe the Demon King gave Ruby power so that she could take over for Demon Face? I don't know. It's very likely that I'm wrong and that the translation is going to come out and mean something entirely different than what it does now. I'm mostly going off this theory because this one doesn't make my head spin as much.
soul transering sounds wierd to me. two souls in one body means there will be struggle for control by both souls, and then there is the thing where one either gets earesed, or you get something similair to Yami and Yugi from yu-gi-oh where the two souls pretty much take turns depending on the situation, or they'll merge. yeah soul transefering doesn't seem likely. yeah, difrent clans sounds more logical to me.
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Post by midori on Sept 13, 2015 12:14:46 GMT
yup, I know but why is Mikel asking master about this...its Like this must have happened before 8 years ago that Mikel is asking for masters opinion on this. well we don't know how long Heil has been like that, or atleast i don't... i'll just wait for new chapters to get released, i'm getting confused. um.. i think you didn't understand what i meant to say... i am sure heil became like that after lispen gave him the power to turn into a demon but...i think a similar incident must have happened during the ritual...some human must have turned into a demon...um if its not a bother can you read the post i just made...just that one point about the ritual...you can skip all other..they are too long..^_^
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Post by tg on Sept 14, 2015 6:05:49 GMT
Combined your posts! hmm...lets see.. 1
i think rood was sent to demon world along with other children and then returned with his memories gone and the other children having mental break down too....so none of them could tell anything about what they saw ...the same goes with rood hence they none of the tower magicians recognize him individually.
2. as for meredith i don't think he has anything to do with rood's past nor does he know rood personally from past...he just got curious of him bcz rood could sense his presence from that far which only a capable magician is supposed to be able to. as for his interest in blow, i think he was doing it out of curiosity too...nothing personel..i prefer the wiki translation(summary)
3 mikel mentioned to master the "POWER" being used at ishuella to turn a human into demon...what was that power he was talking about? if we assume that that power was the one that lispen stole from the demon world and gave a bit ofit to heil to turn him into a demon, then taht means lispen was somehow involved with the ritual too (i don't know how though...maybe he was disguised as a tower magician when he came to the demon world and must have gotten some other tower magician involved too and turned him into a demon ...but must have escaped afterwards and became lispen). That would also explain why lispen told rood that humans will do anything, even tear apart their own specie for the sake of power or their own benefit (sorry don't remember the exact dialogue).
4 mikel mentioned that the sealed demon king is just a corpse but in blow's concious he was alive..and even called out to him... how is that?
5. lispen came to yhe human world with the power long llllllong ago and kept searching for a suitable host to put it in untill lid was born...that means Raven had already vanished from the demon world at the time lispen came to the HW..(i doubt he could steal the power right from raven)... now then rood was born way after raven vanished....but rood is the demon king or atleast has the soul of the demon king....now then what happened during that major gap between Raven'd disappearence and rood's birth???....where was raven all that time..reincarnation theory doesn't work here.
woh!! i've written pretty long too XD
also mikel's story and the story that was told to rood are a total contradiction...unless there are as many truth as there are people..or maybe a demon told that story to rood when he went to demon world and he forgot those memories but remembered the story......but it seems like he doesn't even remember being held and chained as a prisoner...more like he is not even trying to think about it or even linking that story to thecurrent happenings....
I like your theory that Rood could've been with other kids. That would definitely be hard to have any of the Tower Magicians recognize him. As for your point #2, I know you feel strongly about it. Come to think of it, you may be right. ^__^ According to the Wiki (which seems to have been made clearer now compared to when I first saw it) and eriso, Meredith is talking to Mikel about how he let "someone" roam free for 8 years. At first, as you probably remember from our Disqus discussions, I always thought he was talking about Rood. However, he could also be talking about Kiel. MMm... On the other hand, he's looking at Blow through his magical viewer thing as he says those words and made eye contact with Rood in the Tower. To me, those are clues that I feel that he knew Rood from before. Anyways, once we have that crucial flashback, we'll know for sure..... There is no wrong or right way this could go about Meredith. Hehe.. Point #3... That could be a possibility that Lispen gave the humans a bit of Demon King!Rood's power. However, isn't he very loyal to the Demon King to do that? (He already feels disgusted by the very idea.) I feel that he stuffed all that power into Lid, and that's it. The "power" to turn humans into demons could still have come from some other source of power. Particularly, that puppet! Someone is controlling that floating cloaked thing! I don't think Lispen is the one.... We shouldn't forget Lispen's accomplice. :< ...... I hope Yong hasn't forgotten about that! Point #4... We need more info from the story. Other than some stretched theories like that Demon King was trying to make a spiritual contact with Blow or Rood was witnessing a past life's memory of seeing that Demon King alive, .............I have no clue either! @___@ Point #5.... Well, in order for the soul transfer to fully work properly, the previous body had to expire in some way. Thus, the reincarnation theory can still work here if the Demon King didn't just vanish, he died. Plain and simple. He's not invincible. He has weak points just like all other demons. If that chained up Demon King can die, so can Demon King!Rood. The questions of how and why still linger within that theory. At least, Dio's words gave me the hint that he couldn't protect Demon King!Rood in time. So, he seems to vow that he'll do it right this time. Not too bad on the length, Midori. You made the points very clear and brief. *thumbs up* That's the thing. Rood doesn't seem to remember that he was imprisoned in the Tower. Even if his "first memory" happens to be in that storage room. That really boggles my mind. Maybe, that "first memory" faded as time went by as he got older? He probably doesn't remember that event that well, considering he was only seven years old. Maybe, he repressed that "first memory"? Geesh. I'm just waiting patiently until Rood stumbles upon that room, and see if a lightbulb switches on in that head of his. You feel the same way, Midori?
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Post by tg on Sept 14, 2015 13:15:45 GMT
* Quick correction: I meant Vii, not eriso, in my post. ^,^ Ooops. (Sorry...)
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Post by ghoulchan on Sept 14, 2015 14:27:21 GMT
well we don't know how long Heil has been like that, or atleast i don't... i'll just wait for new chapters to get released, i'm getting confused. um.. i think you didn't understand what i meant to say... i am sure heil became like that after lispen gave him the power to turn into a demon but...i think a similar incident must have happened during the ritual...some human must have turned into a demon...um if its not a bother can you read the post i just made...just that one point about the ritual...you can skip all other..they are too long..^_^
i did say i was getting confused. hmm i don't know but it's a possibilety (i'm sure i spelled that wrong ) that some "subjects" turned into demon like creatures. but i don't know. it's getting quite confusing for me.
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Post by Asectic on Sept 14, 2015 18:32:18 GMT
I'll just add in my random thoughts here, and just to note I really am not much of a theorist since I'm for one to just look out for interesting plot in terms of writing mechanisms and the like. If this isn't rather anything new, then my apologies. I don't read the disqus comments since I don't like its user interface. But here goes...
I have read the posts in here so far, and I have to say I like both theories of that there are multiple demon kings & clans and of the one where the Giant DK's soul transfer. Some were arguing over one or the another, but after thinking for a bit (and note, this is really just a little bit) I feel that as if the two concepts could be combined essentially.
I was thinking back to the prologue as I was reading this & the concept of multiple DKs was first introduced, where it basically explained at the ending where the Demon King gave humans the magic powers to fight. And after looking on how the Tower's "form" of power, which is mainly green to all of their members, I was then thinking about this...
If supposedly the Tower uses the same color of magic (not exactly sure on what their symbol is - are they all universal?), then what about these? So what I think is that maybe as Midori mentioned, that there used to be this Giant Demon King before in the past where - in comparisons to all other normal Demon Kings the GK held an unimaginable sort of power. And during the time the king was about to be captured and dead, the GK might have been way too old or for some reason grew to unable to control his powers anymore - and thus the guy decided to separate his powers and place it upon different Demons who later became kings beforehand. And so when the Tower came and caught the big DK he essentially didn't have the power as he used to, but since he was the almighty one in comparisons to normal Demon Kings, he still did have a good reserve of power for the Tower to fuel themselves with.
And my next point is the reason why I really would like to know more about how the magic works in Black Haze, other than the fact they came from Demons or the magicians have an awakened form. We haven't seen much in terms of magic symbols of the characters at this point, but could the symbols & colors of the aura determine which type of Demon King and their power or clan it came from? I am thinking of more instances as I am writing this, but then it would sort of explain how Shicmuon's awakening was undone when the leader of the Association merely called his magician name after the second Demon Door arc - if Lanoste also had a similar form of magic type as Shic's.
As for why there would be different clans giving their magics to different people... maybe the Demon Kings were bored and are in a middle of a competition or something. Idk, but my main point is the above.
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Post by midori on Sept 14, 2015 18:35:14 GMT
Combined your posts! hmm...lets see.. 1
i think rood was sent to demon world along with other children and then returned with his memories gone and the other children having mental break down too....so none of them could tell anything about what they saw ...the same goes with rood hence they none of the tower magicians recognize him individually.
2. as for meredith i don't think he has anything to do with rood's past nor does he know rood personally from past...he just got curious of him bcz rood could sense his presence from that far which only a capable magician is supposed to be able to. as for his interest in blow, i think he was doing it out of curiosity too...nothing personel..i prefer the wiki translation(summary)
3 mikel mentioned to master the "POWER" being used at ishuella to turn a human into demon...what was that power he was talking about? if we assume that that power was the one that lispen stole from the demon world and gave a bit ofit to heil to turn him into a demon, then taht means lispen was somehow involved with the ritual too (i don't know how though...maybe he was disguised as a tower magician when he came to the demon world and must have gotten some other tower magician involved too and turned him into a demon ...but must have escaped afterwards and became lispen). That would also explain why lispen told rood that humans will do anything, even tear apart their own specie for the sake of power or their own benefit (sorry don't remember the exact dialogue).
4 mikel mentioned that the sealed demon king is just a corpse but in blow's concious he was alive..and even called out to him... how is that?
5. lispen came to yhe human world with the power long llllllong ago and kept searching for a suitable host to put it in untill lid was born...that means Raven had already vanished from the demon world at the time lispen came to the HW..(i doubt he could steal the power right from raven)... now then rood was born way after raven vanished....but rood is the demon king or atleast has the soul of the demon king....now then what happened during that major gap between Raven'd disappearence and rood's birth???....where was raven all that time..reincarnation theory doesn't work here.
woh!! i've written pretty long too XD
also mikel's story and the story that was told to rood are a total contradiction...unless there are as many truth as there are people..or maybe a demon told that story to rood when he went to demon world and he forgot those memories but remembered the story......but it seems like he doesn't even remember being held and chained as a prisoner...more like he is not even trying to think about it or even linking that story to thecurrent happenings....
I like your theory that Rood could've been with other kids. That would definitely be hard to have any of the Tower Magicians recognize him. As for your point #2, I know you feel strongly about it. Come to think of it, you may be right. ^__^ According to the Wiki (which seems to have been made clearer now compared to when I first saw it) and eriso, Meredith is talking to Mikel about how he let "someone" roam free for 8 years. At first, as you probably remember from our Disqus discussions, I always thought he was talking about Rood. However, he could also be talking about Kiel. MMm... On the other hand, he's looking at Blow through his magical viewer thing as he says those words and made eye contact with Rood in the Tower. To me, those are clues that I feel that he knew Rood from before. Anyways, once we have that crucial flashback, we'll know for sure..... There is no wrong or right way this could go about Meredith. Hehe.. Point #3... That could be a possibility that Lispen gave the humans a bit of Demon King!Rood's power. However, isn't he very loyal to the Demon King to do that? (He already feels disgusted by the very idea.) I feel that he stuffed all that power into Lid, and that's it. The "power" to turn humans into demons could still have come from some other source of power. Particularly, that puppet! Someone is controlling that floating cloaked thing! I don't think Lispen is the one.... We shouldn't forget Lispen's accomplice. :< ...... I hope Yong hasn't forgotten about that! Point #4... We need more info from the story. Other than some stretched theories like that Demon King was trying to make a spiritual contact with Blow or Rood was witnessing a past life's memory of seeing that Demon King alive, .............I have no clue either! @___@ Point #5.... Well, in order for the soul transfer to fully work properly, the previous body had to expire in some way. Thus, the reincarnation theory can still work here if the Demon King didn't just vanish, he died. Plain and simple. He's not invincible. He has weak points just like all other demons. If that chained up Demon King can die, so can Demon King!Rood. The questions of how and why still linger within that theory. At least, Dio's words gave me the hint that he couldn't protect Demon King!Rood in time. So, he seems to vow that he'll do it right this time. Not too bad on the length, Midori. You made the points very clear and brief. *thumbs up* That's the thing. Rood doesn't seem to remember that he was imprisoned in the Tower. Even if his "first memory" happens to be in that storage room. That really boggles my mind. Maybe, that "first memory" faded as time went by as he got older? He probably doesn't remember that event that well, considering he was only seven years old. Maybe, he repressed that "first memory"? Geesh. I'm just waiting patiently until Rood stumbles upon that room, and see if a lightbulb switches on in that head of his. You feel the same way, Midori? yup, i really wish he remembers that memory and stumbles upon that room.... right now yong nim is giving flash back of keil's life and ritual but i really wish i can see the present again jeez thats ironic..when we were in present i wished we would get a flash back and now that its a flash back time, i've started missing the present TT TT
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Post by tg on Sept 15, 2015 5:33:54 GMT
^ @ Midori: Yeah, I miss the present too... ;___; However, I'm the type who is patient with flashbacks. If we need to know some parts of the truth, this is pretty much the way to go unless we get an interruption to this flashback, go back to the present and have Master tell the rest of it to someone in a future episode. Actually, I'd love to see a flashback from Rood's P.O.V., if he ever regains his childhood memories. Like, his time with his mother, that one time he saw his father from afar, his time with Kiel, his horrible time with those awful relatives, and finally, his experience in the Tower + demon world. Geeze. That's a lot of flashbacking we'll have to go through later on. But wait! We still have a lot more flashbacks to go through too! O____O; The incident from one year ago, Iel's flashback (continuation), Meredith's flashback (which I predict to be creepy), Demon King!Blow's flashback (memories returning?), Dio's flashback, Ruby's flashback, Lispen's flashback (of when he took the power), the ancient history time's flashback (before the Tower was formed), etc. and etc. So many flashbacks, Midori. So many..... @___@ We just have too many questions. ... Oh, and Non officially confirmed on Disqus: I'll just add in my random thoughts here, and just to note I really am not much of a theorist since I'm for one to just look out for interesting plot in terms of writing mechanisms and the like. If this isn't rather anything new, then my apologies. I don't read the disqus comments since I don't like its user interface. But here goes...
I have read the posts in here so far, and I have to say I like both theories of that there are multiple demon kings & clans and of the one where the Giant DK's soul transfer. Some were arguing over one or the another, but after thinking for a bit (and note, this is really just a little bit) I feel that as if the two concepts could be combined essentially.
I was thinking back to the prologue as I was reading this & the concept of multiple DKs was first introduced, where it basically explained at the ending where the Demon King gave humans the magic powers to fight. And after looking on how the Tower's "form" of power, which is mainly green to all of their members, I was then thinking about this...
If supposedly the Tower uses the same color of magic (not exactly sure on what their symbol is - are they all universal?), then what about these? So what I think is that maybe as Midori mentioned, that there used to be this Giant Demon King before in the past where - in comparisons to all other normal Demon Kings the GK held an unimaginable sort of power. And during the time the king was about to be captured and dead, the GK might have been way too old or for some reason grew to unable to control his powers anymore - and thus the guy decided to separate his powers and place it upon different Demons who later became kings beforehand. And so when the Tower came and caught the big DK he essentially didn't have the power as he used to, but since he was the almighty one in comparisons to normal Demon Kings, he still did have a good reserve of power for the Tower to fuel themselves with.
And my next point is the reason why I really would like to know more about how the magic works in Black Haze, other than the fact they came from Demons or the magicians have an awakened form. We haven't seen much in terms of magic symbols of the characters at this point, but could the symbols & colors of the aura determine which type of Demon King and their power or clan it came from? I am thinking of more instances as I am writing this, but then it would sort of explain how Shicmuon's awakening was undone when the leader of the Association merely called his magician name after the second Demon Door arc - if Lanoste also had a similar form of magic type as Shic's.
As for why there would be different clans giving their magics to different people... maybe the Demon Kings were bored and are in a middle of a competition or something. Idk, but my main point is the above. You know... You could be onto something here.... If there were different Demon Kings for different demon clans, then, all those "marks" could represent a clan? That's what you're saying, right? Interesting... So, Rood's mark would easily be recognized by both Dio and Lispen for sure if they both saw it and this theory was true. Wait, that would mean that the mark on Lid's body could be the same as the one on Rood's hand? So, the fairytale has seriously been this twisty beyond being twisty? If it was multitudes of Demon Kings, who gave their powers to the humans, then, it wasn't just one Demon King and one human king. Clearly, the Tower is covering up that a Demon King was the one, who saved the humans, but a whole lot of them would change the picture entirely. It would be ancient human knowledge that there was more than one Demon King. So, it makes sense that this "book" knew of such fact. .........................Wow... It's all coming together now.
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Post by Asectic on Sept 15, 2015 14:33:11 GMT
You know... You could be onto something here.... If there were different Demon Kings for different demon clans, then, all those "marks" could represent a clan? That's what you're saying, right? Interesting... So, Rood's mark would easily be recognized by both Dio and Lispen for sure if they both saw it and this theory was true. Wait, that would mean that the mark on Lid's body could be the same as the one on Rood's hand? So, the fairytale has seriously been this twisty beyond being twisty? If it was multitudes of Demon Kings, who gave their powers to the humans, then, it wasn't just one Demon King and one human king. Clearly, the Tower is covering up that a Demon King was the one, who saved the humans, but a whole lot of them would change the picture entirely. It would be ancient human knowledge that there was more than one Demon King. So, it makes sense that this "book" knew of such fact. .........................Wow... It's all coming together now. Yeah. If following along the logic of the existence of the Giant Demon King, then maybe the other Demon Kings are having a competition to become who would be the next ruler over all the demons, if they indeed to have an hierarchy like that in their world. And so maybe that's also why there is one side of Rubymonter, Elzeble, and the fish; Dio and his master the Raven; and Lispen's side. It is Yong after all, where maybe he'll drop the bomb on us saying that everything we were presented with until now was an utter lie. I wonder if the relationship between Rubymonter and Raven was that Rubymonter was also a Demon King of her own and being close with the Raven they were allied in the Demon World. And so since she doesn't have his power yet, her own aura is the yellow.
As for Rood's mark and the possible one hinted out on Lidusis, it may be. But again, since the two didn't see his mark officially and same thing with Rood with Lidusis I guess it would be hard for things to be concrete here. I always found it odd when it came to the powers the magicians use, since it seems to me so far, not all magicians show a symbol upon them when they're in the process awakening. Maybe having the mark on them symbolizes that the magician has some sort of rank within the clan of the power (when a King first met with the person in charge or something), like Tessiana had with her mark on her forehead. While on the other hand characters like Orphell didn't seem to have one, and since he is a Tower magician on the low side I'm guessing so he doesn't have one...? Shicmuon didn't seem to have one either, since while in his case Mikel did mention that his power was just given to him, during his rant of him wanting to kill him if there was the fact he didn't belong to the Association.
But that's just me always being so enthused with supernatural powers. Man, now I am just psyched up to see what will happen to Rood as he entered the Door 8 years ago. I don't want to see him suffer much but the suspense is a killer XD
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Post by midori on Sept 15, 2015 18:15:23 GMT
^ @ Midori: Yeah, I miss the present too... ;___; However, I'm the type who is patient with flashbacks. If we need to know some parts of the truth, this is pretty much the way to go unless we get an interruption to this flashback, go back to the present and have Master tell the rest of it to someone in a future episode. Actually, I'd love to see a flashback from Rood's P.O.V., if he ever regains his childhood memories. Like, his time with his mother, that one time he saw his father from afar, his time with Kiel, his horrible time with those awful relatives, and finally, his experience in the Tower + demon world. Geeze. That's a lot of flashbacking we'll have to go through later on. But wait! We still have a lot more flashbacks to go through too! O____O; The incident from one year ago, Iel's flashback (continuation), Meredith's flashback (which I predict to be creepy), Demon King!Blow's flashback (memories returning?), Dio's flashback, Ruby's flashback, Lispen's flashback (of when he took the power), the ancient history time's flashback (before the Tower was formed), etc. and etc. So many flashbacks, Midori. So many..... @___@ We just have too many questions. ... Oh, and Non officially confirmed on Disqus: Wow.....so many flash backs...it feels like only half of the dtory is finished just yet... so we got confirmation..but you know what i'll save my mind by just thinking:
GK was the original king...he got captured died...raven was powerful...rose to power...became the new king...also vanished...don't know what next ...tehe~
I'll just add in my random thoughts here, and just to note I really am not much of a theorist since I'm for one to just look out for interesting plot in terms of writing mechanisms and the like. If this isn't rather anything new, then my apologies. I don't read the disqus comments since I don't like its user interface. But here goes...
I have read the posts in here so far, and I have to say I like both theories of that there are multiple demon kings & clans and of the one where the Giant DK's soul transfer. Some were arguing over one or the another, but after thinking for a bit (and note, this is really just a little bit) I feel that as if the two concepts could be combined essentially.
I was thinking back to the prologue as I was reading this & the concept of multiple DKs was first introduced, where it basically explained at the ending where the Demon King gave humans the magic powers to fight. And after looking on how the Tower's "form" of power, which is mainly green to all of their members, I was then thinking about this...
If supposedly the Tower uses the same color of magic (not exactly sure on what their symbol is - are they all universal?), then what about these? So what I think is that maybe as Midori mentioned, that there used to be this Giant Demon King before in the past where - in comparisons to all other normal Demon Kings the GK held an unimaginable sort of power. And during the time the king was about to be captured and dead, the GK might have been way too old or for some reason grew to unable to control his powers anymore - and thus the guy decided to separate his powers and place it upon different Demons who later became kings beforehand. And so when the Tower came and caught the big DK he essentially didn't have the power as he used to, but since he was the almighty one in comparisons to normal Demon Kings, he still did have a good reserve of power for the Tower to fuel themselves with.
And my next point is the reason why I really would like to know more about how the magic works in Black Haze, other than the fact they came from Demons or the magicians have an awakened form. We haven't seen much in terms of magic symbols of the characters at this point, but could the symbols & colors of the aura determine which type of Demon King and their power or clan it came from? I am thinking of more instances as I am writing this, but then it would sort of explain how Shicmuon's awakening was undone when the leader of the Association merely called his magician name after the second Demon Door arc - if Lanoste also had a similar form of magic type as Shic's.
As for why there would be different clans giving their magics to different people... maybe the Demon Kings were bored and are in a middle of a competition or something. Idk, but my main point is the above. You know... You could be onto something here.... If there were different Demon Kings for different demon clans, then, all those "marks" could represent a clan? That's what you're saying, right? Interesting... So, Rood's mark would easily be recognized by both Dio and Lispen for sure if they both saw it and this theory was true. Wait, that would mean that the mark on Lid's body could be the same as the one on Rood's hand? So, the fairytale has seriously been this twisty beyond being twisty? If it was multitudes of Demon Kings, who gave their powers to the humans, then, it wasn't just one Demon King and one human king. Clearly, the Tower is covering up that a Demon King was the one, who saved the humans, but a whole lot of them would change the picture entirely. It would be ancient human knowledge that there was more than one Demon King. So, it makes sense that this "book" knew of such fact. .........................Wow... It's all coming t ogether now.
um..i don't know...but i think the story that mikel told was the story of tower's creation and it happened long after the magicians came into existance...and how magicians came into existance was another story that rood was being told as a child... its true tower is just abusing its athority...but i think atleast someone will raise voice against that abuse ie orphell
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Post by tg on Sept 16, 2015 5:07:42 GMT
Yeah. If following along the logic of the existence of the Giant Demon King, then maybe the other Demon Kings are having a competition to become who would be the next ruler over all the demons, if they indeed to have an hierarchy like that in their world. And so maybe that's also why there is one side of Rubymonter, Elzeble, and the fish; Dio and his master the Raven; and Lispen's side. It is Yong after all, where maybe he'll drop the bomb on us saying that everything we were presented with until now was an utter lie. I wonder if the relationship between Rubymonter and Raven was that Rubymonter was also a Demon King of her own and being close with the Raven they were allied in the Demon World. And so since she doesn't have his power yet, her own aura is the yellow.
As for Rood's mark and the possible one hinted out on Lidusis, it may be. But again, since the two didn't see his mark officially and same thing with Rood with Lidusis I guess it would be hard for things to be concrete here. I always found it odd when it came to the powers the magicians use, since it seems to me so far, not all magicians show a symbol upon them when they're in the process awakening. Maybe having the mark on them symbolizes that the magician has some sort of rank within the clan of the power (when a King first met with the person in charge or something), like Tessiana had with her mark on her forehead. While on the other hand characters like Orphell didn't seem to have one, and since he is a Tower magician on the low side I'm guessing so he doesn't have one...? Shicmuon didn't seem to have one either, since while in his case Mikel did mention that his power was just given to him, during his rant of him wanting to kill him if there was the fact he didn't belong to the Association.
But that's just me always being so enthused with supernatural powers. Man, now I am just psyched up to see what will happen to Rood as he entered the Door 8 years ago. I don't want to see him suffer much but the suspense is a killer XD That would make things a little confusing to me. If they're having a competition to become the next Demon King, then why are they all called "Demon Kings", then? This is why I'm not going to try to speculate too much on why we have a lot of Demon Kings, until we just know about how their system is ran. Ruby may have been a part of Demon King!Blow's camp, who decided to make her own group? (Oh wait, unless this is like chess, but a crazy version where you can have multiple Kings instead of more of than one knight? ....No no no no..... Bad analogy... Aaahhh.. ^__^) As for their symbols, I think a lot of the people, who can "Awaken", have their marks in parts of their bodies that we can't see. Like, some may have marks on their stomachs or backs. We've only been able to see people, who clearly have visible marks on whatever parts of their bodies that their clothing can't conceal. I'm sure Orphell's mark should be somewhere under his shirt or pants. Another example for this is Lid's own mark. Rood had to open up his shirt just to try to find it. With that said, we still haven't seen Kiel's mark. All he does is transform into other people, but that must be the lowest level of his own magic. We know he's a strong Magician. I'm actually pretty psyched to see if little Rood stumbles upon the Demon King's corpse, asides from him entering the Door. um..i don't know...but i think the story that mikel told was the story of tower's creation and it happened long after the magicians came into existance...and how magicians came into existance was another story that rood was being told as a child... its true tower is just abusing its athority...but i think atleast someone will raise voice against that abuse ie orphell
Ok, I responded to your PM about Mikel, so, we got that part covered. Now, to focus on the fairytale story.... The thing about that story being told to an imprisoned Rood, was that, it was told in the original prologue. So now, in the newer prologue, we're suppose to pretend that Rood wasn't told that kind of story as a child. So, whatever Rood learns from Kiel, that is the story he'll believe in. Thankfully, the old prologue and the newer prologue isn't too different from each other, with some minor differences (which was discussed in the other thread, I think, or Disqus?). Regardless, this story definitely had to exist after the Magicians existed. Which ultimately means a cover-up was involved. I'm just curious as to what kind of story did Kiel give Rood? The Tower version, which I'm guessing is what is taught to most of the people in the country? ^__^ Poor people living under this magical "protection' bubble. They don't know their own true history. D: I definitely hope, with you, that Orphell does go against the Tower in the near future. He's a valuable asset to the good guys. He's super observant of others. *coughs at Lispen*
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Post by BlueTear on Nov 16, 2015 2:23:04 GMT
As anyone who's been following this series at all should be aware, there is a Demon King. He looks like Blow with long hair and slit pupils, wears a shapeless black robe, and all the demons seem to really like him. He also seems to have had something horrible happen to him to make him go MIA. Currently, some version of him is residing in Rood's mindscape (or whatever that vaguely defined dark area was) alongside Demon Face.
And yet in this chapter we see that, before being killed by the Tower, Demon Face was the Demon King. No biggie, maybe they're the dragon!Dio-human!Dio equivalents of each other, right? Except then we get this line: "Their [king] is more than one". Since that's one awkward English sentence, I'm assuming it was translated more-or-less word-for-word from Korean. I'd be interested to see lonemanga's take on that line (yay for multiple groups translating!) but for now we just have to assume mangacow got it more-or-less right. Sooo... there's multiple Demon Kings? Like, at once, or as in a new one (Raven) took the throne after Demon Face was killed, or the Demon King has his own Holy Trinity going on, or the Demon King gets reincarnated after dying, or the Demon King is like a star fish and his broken off horn grew into a new Demon King, or...?
So after having my mind be blown away to some very strange places, I went back to re-read that part, and noticed something I was too blown over to pick up on the first time. My reaction is superimposed in red: Hello, glowing blue orb on the other side of a split screen? What brings you here? No, seriously, what are you doing here?!
At this point, I don't even know anymore! Is it supposed to symbolise Raven (blue orb = blue eyes... maybe?) and if so, what is that supposed to hint at! Ugghh... This is just like back in chapter 119! And yellow orb = yellow eyes = Demon Face... maybe?
I realise this post is all over the place, but after reading this chapter my brain is all over the place. So, since my brain is too befuddled to make sense of any of this, what's everybody else's opinion on the quote in the subject line, and how it does/does not connect with everything else introducd so far?
in the prologue it was blue...it may just be me make a big deal out of it, but i think that the blue orb may possibly be the demon king's spirit. In some mangas they say that there are four kings, or arch devils as in soul cartel, who are the leaders of the underworld. It even says in the prologue that it was the King of Demons who gave humans their current powers.
on a side note....this has been getting more confusing and positively more intriguing as i read it
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