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Post by eriso on Aug 19, 2015 21:36:12 GMT
So we have the two figures in Rood's head - the long-haired, older-looking form of Blow (which we also know is Dio's master) and the giant thing missing a horn that refers to him as 'brother/brethren'.
What does everyone think is going on there? I've got plenty of thoughts for long-haired Blow (lhB from this point on. We seriously need more names), but still trying to work out the other one - the chained-up thing that calls Rood 'brother'.
(Counterintuitive as it sounds, I'm not actually gonna share my top theory for either of them. That's gonna be used in a fanfic I'm writing :3 I'll just say this much: Maybe it's possible for there to be more than one king.)
So, I've got a few theories for lhB. The an obvious possibility is that he's the demon king, somehow sealed inside Rood during the ritual and now trying to wrest back control. I really hope this isn't what's going on though. I like Rood too much as he is, don't want to see him sort of fading :(
Or maybe the demon king was reincarnated as Rood, and Rood's now starting to merge with his past self. I like this theory. Still, if that's the case, I've got no idea how the other thing in his head fits in.
Another possibility that interests me is that lhB is actually a physical (mental? haha) manifestation of the demon king's power inside Rood. There's no consciousness attached to it. Meaning in that scene (can't remember exactly which chapter, sorry. Somewhere in the 90s, I'm pretty sure) where Rood is fighting Elzeble unconsciously, he's being overcome by the power and losing control of himself - so if it were to continue he'd become a walking lump of thoughtless power - albeit with some pretty scary self-defense moves. (It'd suck to have to avoid a bit of your head for the rest of your life in case it decided to eat you XD)
But the other mind creature ... I'm not sure what's going on there. Could it be that lhB holds the memories of the demon king, while the chained-up one holds the strength? If so, does that mean if it were to be released that Blow would become further over-powered? Or maybe the magicians were using Rood's mind to create a high-security demon prison in the ritual - although if that were the case I doubt it would call Rood 'brother'. Or maybe it means brother literally - like Rood actually had a brother, but then they each had stuff done to them and the brother died but his thoughts were conserved in Rood's mind. And he had some really ugly thoughts? I don't know.
Feel free to fully dissect everything that I've written here. I wanna see what everyone is thinking on the matter.
Anyone else got some theories to work with? Throw them at us! >__<
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Post by Asectic on Aug 19, 2015 23:03:08 GMT
For some reason I always thought that the Demon in chains was Rubymonter in her own demon form. Since the eyes from the Demon and the ones from her human form seemed to match (both yellow, rather then blue. Though correct me if I was wrong on the colors). And since she stated that "if it were [He], he would have recognized me" I always assumed her to be the one in chains, since especially her power was stolen as well due to Lispen.
I mean, it could not always be the Demon King himself who ruled over the Demon World. I guess Rubymonter was his sister in that sense and thus after he disappeared she took over the rule.
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Post by someonepassingthrough on Aug 20, 2015 1:23:20 GMT
For some reason I always thought that the Demon in chains was Rubymonter in her own demon form. Since the eyes from the Demon and the ones from her human form seemed to match (both yellow, rather then blue. Though correct me if I was wrong on the colors). And since she stated that "if it were [He], he would have recognized me" I always assumed her to be the one in chains, since especially her power was stolen as well due to Lispen.
I mean, it could not always be the Demon King himself who ruled over the Demon World. I guess Rubymonter was his sister in that sense and thus after he disappeared she took over the rule. well, i agree that it seems to be similar to rubymonter. I though it was rubymonter at first too. But then the question is, why is she in rood's head? Even if they're siblings they shouldn't have a mental connection (if my little brother was in my head, watching my every move and talking to me, I'll be dead by now ). If she is in rood's head and even called him her "brethen", then wouldn't she know that rood is not human? And that doesn't explain her reaction when she met rood. The thing appeared chained up in the tower too (correct me if I'm wrong, my memory isn't that great, sigh...), so if I have to guess, I'll agree with eriso. It seems to be the tied up power part of the king, though i'm not sure about the whole brother part. Hmmm.... so many questions, so little answers. Looks like we fans would just have to keep on guessing! ...and waiting.....
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Post by eriso on Aug 20, 2015 2:30:06 GMT
For some reason I always thought that the Demon in chains was Rubymonter in her own demon form. Since the eyes from the Demon and the ones from her human form seemed to match (both yellow, rather then blue. Though correct me if I was wrong on the colors). And since she stated that "if it were [He], he would have recognized me" I always assumed her to be the one in chains, since especially her power was stolen as well due to Lispen.
I mean, it could not always be the Demon King himself who ruled over the Demon World. I guess Rubymonter was his sister in that sense and thus after he disappeared she took over the rule. well, i agree that it seems to be similar to rubymonter. I though it was rubymonter at first too. But then the question is, why is she in rood's head? Even if they're siblings they shouldn't have a mental connection (if my little brother was in my head, watching my every move and talking to me, I'll be dead by now :D). If she is in rood's head and even called him her "brethen", then wouldn't she know that rood is not human? And that doesn't explain her reaction when she met rood. The thing appeared chained up in the tower too (correct me if I'm wrong, my memory isn't that great, sigh...), so if I have to guess, I'll agree with eriso. It seems to be the tied up power part of the king, though i'm not sure about the whole brother part. Hmmm.... so many questions, so little answers. Looks like we fans would just have to keep on guessing! ...and waiting..... :'( She was actually my first thought as well, but as someonepassingthrough said, it doesn't quite add up. (Btw I loved the analogy with your brother ahah!) I wonder if eye colour is an indication of something - the power level of the demon, maybe? I guess it's possible that we're reading too much into the resemblance, but I doubt that ... very few things seem to happen by coincidence in BH :P Here's a new theory: Rood is an alien. Due to his psychic alien powers, he ended up having dreams of Rubymonter's past. He can't remember anything from his early childhood because his species of alien is just born that way - there isn't anything to remember. It also explains his greater-than-average magic potential, and a bunch of other things. Plot twist: Lispen is an alien too XD
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Post by Asectic on Aug 20, 2015 7:47:10 GMT
well, i agree that it seems to be similar to rubymonter. I though it was rubymonter at first too. But then the question is, why is she in rood's head? Even if they're siblings they shouldn't have a mental connection (if my little brother was in my head, watching my every move and talking to me, I'll be dead by now ). If she is in rood's head and even called him her "brethen", then wouldn't she know that rood is not human? And that doesn't explain her reaction when she met rood. The thing appeared chained up in the tower too (correct me if I'm wrong, my memory isn't that great, sigh...), so if I have to guess, I'll agree with eriso. It seems to be the tied up power part of the king, though i'm not sure about the whole brother part. Hmmm.... so many questions, so little answers. Looks like we fans would just have to keep on guessing! ...and waiting..... She was actually my first thought as well, but as someonepassingthrough said, it doesn't quite add up. (Btw I loved the analogy with your brother ahah!) I wonder if eye colour is an indication of something - the power level of the demon, maybe? I guess it's possible that we're reading too much into the resemblance, but I doubt that ... very few things seem to happen by coincidence in BH Here's a new theory: Rood is an alien. Due to his psychic alien powers, he ended up having dreams of Rubymonter's past. He can't remember anything from his early childhood because his species of alien is just born that way - there isn't anything to remember. It also explains his greater-than-average magic potential, and a bunch of other things. Plot twist: Lispen is an alien too XD If the demons had power levels then it would make sense. But again, like the powers for magicians haven't really been specified or explored in depth, the same thing's happening with the devils. I wish something would be clarified there :/ I would have mentioned that maybe the author was going against typical or conventional scenarios and maybe having linked subconsciousness between demons possibly but again, seeing as how you guys mentioned they haven't met then I don't believe that'll be it either.
Ahaha then by that logic every demon is an alien? That would be awesome
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Post by eriso on Aug 20, 2015 8:00:27 GMT
She was actually my first thought as well, but as someonepassingthrough said, it doesn't quite add up. (Btw I loved the analogy with your brother ahah!) I wonder if eye colour is an indication of something - the power level of the demon, maybe? I guess it's possible that we're reading too much into the resemblance, but I doubt that ... very few things seem to happen by coincidence in BH :P Here's a new theory: Rood is an alien. Due to his psychic alien powers, he ended up having dreams of Rubymonter's past. He can't remember anything from his early childhood because his species of alien is just born that way - there isn't anything to remember. It also explains his greater-than-average magic potential, and a bunch of other things. Plot twist: Lispen is an alien too XD If the demons had power levels then it would make sense. But again, like the powers for magicians haven't really been specified or explored in depth, the same thing's happening with the devils. I wish something would be clarified there :/ I would have mentioned that maybe the author was going against typical or conventional scenarios and maybe having linked subconsciousness between demons possibly but again, seeing as how you guys mentioned they haven't met then I don't believe that'll be it either.
Ahaha then by that logic every demon is an alien? That would be awesome :D Yeah, we still know so little about the world ... There are only even like three place names listed, and we're 120 chapters in! Still, I suppose that leaves more room for the plot? It's possible that Ruby was just an incredible actor, and hid the fact that she knew him from everyone. But I don't know why she'd be chained up there, if she's running around freely outside. So many possibilities! Hnn maybe ^-^ Maybe the magicians were actually born through alien/human cross-breeding and all the Demon King/God stuff is just superstition because the aliens didn't want their presence to be known about! :P
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Post by *~~mattaku8World8bodimasen~~* on Aug 20, 2015 9:04:02 GMT
lol maybe Rood is Kielnode's son and have a big big demon and the demon king inside him. And maybe the reason why the big big demon called him brother because it thought Rood was the demon king.(they do look alike after all,but wait,they looked so alike,then maybe Rood is the demon king's brother?!Then the big big demon might be the demon king or just a big big demon or it's the king's power or it's the king's other personalities) - I know D.Gray-man affected me a lot,but i didn't know it'll hurt my head this much. Or maybe Rood have 2 personalities,wait no that doesn't make sense at all... Oh my head hurts!...
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Post by shiryonatsu on Aug 20, 2015 14:57:46 GMT
I think the reason why the horned chained demon (let's assume she's rubymonter) appeared in rood's (mind?) is because of the black spear that made rood to awaken? The moment he was hit by the spear-- that yellow eyed demon appeared right?(I think it was chap 84)
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Post by loifavl on Aug 20, 2015 16:17:56 GMT
maybe something happened that angered Raven (long-haired Blow) and made him return to his original form because of anger...? which is the locked up monster thing??? idk :/ just a guess
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Post by *~~mattaku8World8bodimasen~~* on Aug 21, 2015 3:01:33 GMT
Maybe the demon king is Rood's father(my theory are getting crazier and crazier) and Kielnode is a demon(I don't remember where I got this) that helps Rood. And something happens with the demon king and some of his soul is in Rood. *And I wonder what's with "Rood",it's "Door" spelling backwards.I don't think this matters but I bet there're people who thinks like me.So suspicious~!!Well,anything's suspicious in Black Haze.
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Post by eriso on Aug 21, 2015 4:03:25 GMT
I think the reason why the horned chained demon (let's assume she's rubymonter) appeared in rood's (mind?) is because of the black spear that made rood to awaken? The moment he was hit by the spear-- that yellow eyed demon appeared right?(I think it was chap 84) Woah, that's actually such a good theory! I'd never made that connection before ... You might be on to something here ... ^v^
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Post by eriso on Aug 21, 2015 4:07:06 GMT
Maybe the demon king is Rood's father(my theory are getting crazier and crazier) and Kielnode is a demon(I don't remember where I got this) that helps Rood. And something happens with the demon king and some of his soul is in Rood. *And I wonder what's with "Rood",it's "Door" spelling backwards.I don't think this matters but I bet there're people who thinks like me.So suspicious~!!Well,anything's suspicious in Black Haze. I like it! Keep the theories coming! Not sure about Rood being Door backwards though. The direct translation of his name from Korean is Ludeu, so I think it's more likely a lucky coincidence in translation than a carefully-planned plot device. But you never know! Maybe you're right about it :P
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Post by *~~mattaku8World8bodimasen~~* on Aug 21, 2015 4:13:04 GMT
Maybe the demon king is Rood's father(my theory are getting crazier and crazier) and Kielnode is a demon(I don't remember where I got this) that helps Rood. And something happens with the demon king and some of his soul is in Rood. *And I wonder what's with "Rood",it's "Door" spelling backwards.I don't think this matters but I bet there're people who thinks like me.So suspicious~!!Well,anything's suspicious in Black Haze. I like it! Keep the theories coming! Not sure about Rood being Door backwards though. The direct translation of his name from Korean is Ludeu, so I think it's more likely a lucky coincidence in translation than a carefully-planned plot device. But you never know! Maybe you're right about it :P Who knows,this is Black Haze we're talking about anyway
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Post by tg on Aug 21, 2015 6:04:20 GMT
Or maybe the demon king was reincarnated as Rood, and Rood's now starting to merge with his past self. I like this theory. Still, if that's the case, I've got no idea how the other thing in his head fits in. I talked a lot in Disqus with my own theories, but I'm keeping this short. My laptop's dying anyways.., so, I'll be leaving soon. I also support the theory of reincarnation, which is my no. 1 pick, because it makes the most sense for me. He just ended up having the worst luck as a kid being picked by the Tower as a test subject. It would easily explain: 1) Rood is human. 2) Rood is a teenager. 3) Lispen stealing the Demon King's power happened before Rood was born. 4) Rood's Awakened form is the Demon King with short hair. Also, that his magic power is very strong. 5) Why Rood doesn't remember any of the his subjects, whether they were loyal to him or not. My second theory is just experimentation only, but that can also be combined with the reincarnation theory. I'm theorizing that the Tower WAS indeed using the chained up demon's power to convert humans into demons or half-demons. Just like in D.Gray-Man, there was human experimentation being done to create a new set of Exorcists, who were stronger enough to fight against their enemies. However, for each experimentation phase, everything went wrong. The plan backfired. So, I think that's what happened with the "Ritual", eight years ago. More can be said when I have the time and battery recharged. ^__^
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Post by eriso on Aug 21, 2015 8:10:50 GMT
Or maybe the demon king was reincarnated as Rood, and Rood's now starting to merge with his past self. I like this theory. Still, if that's the case, I've got no idea how the other thing in his head fits in. I talked a lot in Disqus with my own theories, but I'm keeping this short. My laptop's dying anyways.., so, I'll be leaving soon. I also support the theory of reincarnation, which is my no. 1 pick, because it makes the most sense for me. He just ended up having the worst luck as a kid being picked by the Tower as a test subject. :( It would easily explain: 1) Rood is human. 2) Rood is a teenager. 3) Lispen stealing the Demon King's power happened before Rood was born. 4) Rood's Awakened form is the Demon King with short hair. Also, that his magic power is very strong. 5) Why Rood doesn't remember any of the his subjects, whether they were loyal to him or not. My second theory is just experimentation only, but that can also be combined with the reincarnation theory. I'm theorizing that the Tower WAS indeed using the chained up demon's power to convert humans into demons or half-demons. Just like in D.Gray-Man, there was human experimentation being done to create a new set of Exorcists, who were stronger enough to fight against their enemies. However, for each experimentation phase, everything went wrong. The plan backfired. So, I think that's what happened with the "Ritual", eight years ago. More can be said when I have the time and battery recharged. ^__^ Wow, nicely reasoned! I'm looking forward to hearing the rest when you get back! Working with your combined theories for a bit, perhaps the Ritual triggered a link between Rood's present self and the Demon King, causing his power to resurface and (eventually) his memories to return?
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