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Post by someonepassingthrough on Aug 21, 2015 16:56:32 GMT
Or maybe the demon king was reincarnated as Rood, and Rood's now starting to merge with his past self. I like this theory. Still, if that's the case, I've got no idea how the other thing in his head fits in. I talked a lot in Disqus with my own theories, but I'm keeping this short. My laptop's dying anyways.., so, I'll be leaving soon. I also support the theory of reincarnation, which is my no. 1 pick, because it makes the most sense for me. He just ended up having the worst luck as a kid being picked by the Tower as a test subject. It would easily explain: 1) Rood is human. 2) Rood is a teenager. 3) Lispen stealing the Demon King's power happened before Rood was born. 4) Rood's Awakened form is the Demon King with short hair. Also, that his magic power is very strong. 5) Why Rood doesn't remember any of the his subjects, whether they were loyal to him or not. My second theory is just experimentation only, but that can also be combined with the reincarnation theory. I'm theorizing that the Tower WAS indeed using the chained up demon's power to convert humans into demons or half-demons. Just like in D.Gray-Man, there was human experimentation being done to create a new set of Exorcists, who were stronger enough to fight against their enemies. However, for each experimentation phase, everything went wrong. The plan backfired. So, I think that's what happened with the "Ritual", eight years ago. More can be said when I have the time and battery recharged. ^__^ Yeah! I agree with the experimentation thing
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Post by tg on Aug 22, 2015 6:02:36 GMT
^ I'm going to have to make a raincheck for the "rest", because I'll have to come back again to do that. ^^; (Sorry...)
However, I have enough time to say that I don't think the Ritual will give him his memories back. He already survived it, and so far, acted like an amnesiac in that room. Up to this point in time, Rood remembered nothing and stays pretty content with not having to remember anything before the Ritual. The "eventual" part, yes, if this relates to the Demon King. That will happen for sure. I think it will have to come from some other trigger that probably requires magic. If Rood is a reincarnation, then, he had a family who cared for him before the Ritual. The Tower may trigger some memories of the life he had before the Ritual. Not the Demon King's memories.
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Post by eriso on Aug 22, 2015 6:31:08 GMT
^ I'm going to have to make a raincheck for the "rest", because I'll have to come back again to do that. ^^; (Sorry...) However, I have enough time to say that I don't think the Ritual will give him his memories back. He already survived it, and so far, acted like an amnesiac in that room. Up to this point in time, Rood remembered nothing and stays pretty content with not having to remember anything before the Ritual. The "eventual" part, yes, if this relates to the Demon King. That will happen for sure. I think it will have to come from some other trigger that probably requires magic. If Rood is a reincarnation, then, he had a family who cared for him before the Ritual. The Tower may trigger some memories of the life he had before the Ritual. Not the Demon King's memories. aaaah this is too suspenseful for me! >__< Good point. (I'd love to see how Rood ended up as he did!) I was referring to it more as a long-term thing. It's unlikely that the Demon King would be the only one ever reincarnated. So why would Rood be the only one still connected to his past self? I suppose there could be another influence, though. What's your opinion on the matter?
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Post by cecilia on Aug 22, 2015 17:54:39 GMT
^ I'm going to have to make a raincheck for the "rest", because I'll have to come back again to do that. ^^; (Sorry...) However, I have enough time to say that I don't think the Ritual will give him his memories back. He already survived it, and so far, acted like an amnesiac in that room. Up to this point in time, Rood remembered nothing and stays pretty content with not having to remember anything before the Ritual. The "eventual" part, yes, if this relates to the Demon King. That will happen for sure. I think it will have to come from some other trigger that probably requires magic. If Rood is a reincarnation, then, he had a family who cared for him before the Ritual. The Tower may trigger some memories of the life he had before the Ritual. Not the Demon King's memories. maybe the ghost lady from chapter 0 was his mother
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Post by loifavl on Aug 22, 2015 19:58:05 GMT
Maybe the demon king is Rood's father(my theory are getting crazier and crazier) and Kielnode is a demon(I don't remember where I got this) that helps Rood. And something happens with the demon king and some of his soul is in Rood. *And I wonder what's with "Rood",it's "Door" spelling backwards.I don't think this matters but I bet there're people who thinks like me.So suspicious~!!Well,anything's suspicious in Black Haze. OMG THE DOOR THING!! i just noticed 0.0 this is suspicious... edit: but wait... on second thought, BH is in Korean... could Yong Yong have thought this far about naming the characters?
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Post by *~~mattaku8World8bodimasen~~* on Aug 23, 2015 1:30:24 GMT
Maybe the demon king is Rood's father(my theory are getting crazier and crazier) and Kielnode is a demon(I don't remember where I got this) that helps Rood. And something happens with the demon king and some of his soul is in Rood. *And I wonder what's with "Rood",it's "Door" spelling backwards.I don't think this matters but I bet there're people who thinks like me.So suspicious~!!Well,anything's suspicious in Black Haze. OMG THE DOOR THING!! i just noticed 0.0 this is suspicious... edit: but wait... on second thought, BH is in Korean... could Yong Yong have thought this far about naming the characters? HUH!!..I see,Yong Yong,what a dangerous person!No wonder (uh...I think Yong Yong is ''he'' but I'm not sure) can create such a manhwa!!
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Post by tg on Aug 23, 2015 5:54:59 GMT
aaaah this is too suspenseful for me! >__< Good point. (I'd love to see how Rood ended up as he did!) I was referring to it more as a long-term thing. It's unlikely that the Demon King would be the only one ever reincarnated. So why would Rood be the only one still connected to his past self? I suppose there could be another influence, though. What's your opinion on the matter? Right. It will be a long term thing. It has to in order to keep us all in suspense. Haha. Interesting though. You think the Demon King isn't the only one reincarnated? Well, I've been thinking lately about this. Going by the second version of the prologue, the human king existed. Maybe, by chance, he could also reincarnate in this lifetime as well? He had descendants, telling by their hair colors. Maybe, there was some kind of curse or something done a long time ago? But, it would be a suspicious mysterious situation if that human king was also reborn. Unless, he had some strong desire to repay the Demon King by helping him? This would make a very interesting royal twist. The Prince could have ulterior hidden motives and try to undermine the Tower in his own way. He did tell his younger sister that "this place" isn't safe for her. He knew that the Tower is dangerous. Hm.... It would be a funny scenario if the Prince actually had memories of the human king, thus, he remembers everything. When he sees the Black Magician, he'll recognize him right away. He'll be all teary eye and go, "You're baaaack!!" Tries to hug Blow/Rood, and Blow/Rood will try to push him away as well thinking he's a lunatic crazy prince. Haha.... Anyways, thanks for bringing that up. If the Demon King's soul was brought back from wherever it was/death, there has to be a reason, right? Or, as I said before, there might be a curse or some kind of tragic spell placed on the Demon King. Maybe, both the Demon King and human king were cursed, and fated to be reborn? Er.... It definitely will be interesting if the human king came back too. More old friends reunited! As for the rest of my theory thoughts.... I mentioned that the Tower might've experimented on humans and that one chained up demon below. Rood was the only survivor, because his compatibility with the chained demon's power was 100%. And my laptop's dying, so, I'll just leave it at that. Need some time to respond to below. >___< (Sorry, again!) maybe the ghost lady from chapter 0 was his mother Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. Plus, the re-drawn/written prologue puts her out of the picture. Regardless, both versions had tied up skeletons. I suspect those were all, or some, of the experimental victims. OMG THE DOOR THING!! i just noticed 0.0 this is suspicious... edit: but wait... on second thought, BH is in Korean... could Yong Yong have thought this far about naming the characters? I think the original spelling of his name, in Korean, was something like "Rude" or "Reude"? I forgot where I read that. So, it's going by pronunciation when we have "Rood". It feels more like a coincidence that adapting the name to something English compatible became "door" backwards. ^_^
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Post by eriso on Aug 23, 2015 8:29:19 GMT
aaaah this is too suspenseful for me! >__< Good point. (I'd love to see how Rood ended up as he did!) I was referring to it more as a long-term thing. It's unlikely that the Demon King would be the only one ever reincarnated. So why would Rood be the only one still connected to his past self? I suppose there could be another influence, though. What's your opinion on the matter? Right. It will be a long term thing. It has to in order to keep us all in suspense. :D Haha. Interesting though. You think the Demon King isn't the only one reincarnated? Well, I've been thinking lately about this. Going by the second version of the prologue, the human king existed. Maybe, by chance, he could also reincarnate in this lifetime as well? He had descendants, telling by their hair colors. Maybe, there was some kind of curse or something done a long time ago? But, it would be a suspicious mysterious situation if that human king was also reborn. Unless, he had some strong desire to repay the Demon King by helping him? This would make a very interesting royal twist. The Prince could have ulterior hidden motives and try to undermine the Tower in his own way. He did tell his younger sister that "this place" isn't safe for her. He knew that the Tower is dangerous. Hm.... It would be a funny scenario if the Prince actually had memories of the human king, thus, he remembers everything. When he sees the Black Magician, he'll recognize him right away. He'll be all teary eye and go, "You're baaaack!!" Tries to hug Blow/Rood, and Blow/Rood will try to push him away as well thinking he's a lunatic crazy prince. :D Haha.... Anyways, thanks for bringing that up. If the Demon King's soul was brought back from wherever it was/death, there has to be a reason, right? Or, as I said before, there might be a curse or some kind of tragic spell placed on the Demon King. Maybe, both the Demon King and human king were cursed, and fated to be reborn? Er.... It definitely will be interesting if the human king came back too. :) More old friends reunited! As for the rest of my theory thoughts.... I mentioned that the Tower might've experimented on humans and that one chained up demon below. Rood was the only survivor, because his compatibility with the chained demon's power was 100%. And my laptop's dying, so, I'll just leave it at that. Need some time to respond to below. >___< (Sorry, again!) Oooh, I hadn't made that connection! What a great thought! I'd love a human/demon king reunion :3 So you've been running on the theory that the Demon King is the only one (or at least one of the only ones) to be reincarnated? Any thoughts on why he would've been cursed? If that's the case, I'm thinking something along the lines of being considered a traitor for saving the humans when the demons attacked, and being cursed to live as one. But who (or what) would have that power? So far it seems like the Demon King(s?) has the highest power ... I suppose it's possible that it was a God. Maybe their God has a definite existence. But then why didn't the God help the humans when they were attacked, and why would he curse the one that saved them? Hmm ... Perhaps it's a sort of Noah's Ark scenario. Like God was trying to cleanse the human race. But then the Demon King stepped in and ruined that, so the God cursed him, forcing him to endure the world that he protected. I think I'm probably reaching too far with that last section. Have you got any theories on what would have done the cursing, if it were a curse? Actually, we've already been shown the existence of two separate worlds, connected through the Doors. What if there's an underworld-style place, also connected through the Doors? So then regular people would be trapped there upon dying, but the Demon King is capable of leaving through the creation of a mini-Door. Still, the exertion required to create this Door are too great for him to let any others out alongside him or to create a permanent Door. His old physical body is destroyed, so his soul ends up in the body of a dead human and this is just getting more and more farfetched so I think I'll stop ^^; Aghhh TG nooooo! I was hoping it'd be a case of 'third time lucky', but my hopes were thwarted again! Oh well, you've definitely got me thinking again :)
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Post by loifavl on Aug 23, 2015 17:15:53 GMT
aaaah this is too suspenseful for me! >__< Good point. (I'd love to see how Rood ended up as he did!) I was referring to it more as a long-term thing. It's unlikely that the Demon King would be the only one ever reincarnated. So why would Rood be the only one still connected to his past self? I suppose there could be another influence, though. What's your opinion on the matter? Right. It will be a long term thing. It has to in order to keep us all in suspense. Haha. Interesting though. You think the Demon King isn't the only one reincarnated? Well, I've been thinking lately about this. Going by the second version of the prologue, the human king existed. Maybe, by chance, he could also reincarnate in this lifetime as well? He had descendants, telling by their hair colors. Maybe, there was some kind of curse or something done a long time ago? But, it would be a suspicious mysterious situation if that human king was also reborn. Unless, he had some strong desire to repay the Demon King by helping him? This would make a very interesting royal twist. The Prince could have ulterior hidden motives and try to undermine the Tower in his own way. He did tell his younger sister that "this place" isn't safe for her. He knew that the Tower is dangerous. Hm.... It would be a funny scenario if the Prince actually had memories of the human king, thus, he remembers everything. When he sees the Black Magician, he'll recognize him right away. He'll be all teary eye and go, "You're baaaack!!" Tries to hug Blow/Rood, and Blow/Rood will try to push him away as well thinking he's a lunatic crazy prince. Haha.... Anyways, thanks for bringing that up. If the Demon King's soul was brought back from wherever it was/death, there has to be a reason, right? Or, as I said before, there might be a curse or some kind of tragic spell placed on the Demon King. Maybe, both the Demon King and human king were cursed, and fated to be reborn? Er.... It definitely will be interesting if the human king came back too. More old friends reunited! As for the rest of my theory thoughts.... I mentioned that the Tower might've experimented on humans and that one chained up demon below. Rood was the only survivor, because his compatibility with the chained demon's power was 100%. And my laptop's dying, so, I'll just leave it at that. Need some time to respond to below. >___< (Sorry, again!) maybe the ghost lady from chapter 0 was his mother Maybe, but I kind of doubt it. Plus, the re-drawn/written prologue puts her out of the picture. Regardless, both versions had tied up skeletons. I suspect those were all, or some, of the experimental victims. OMG THE DOOR THING!! i just noticed 0.0 this is suspicious... edit: but wait... on second thought, BH is in Korean... could Yong Yong have thought this far about naming the characters? I think the original spelling of his name, in Korean, was something like "Rude" or "Reude"? I forgot where I read that. So, it's going by pronunciation when we have "Rood". It feels more like a coincidence that adapting the name to something English compatible became "door" backwards. ^_^ O.O THE PRINCE AND ANCESTOR THING OMG... I never notice such details damn...... but this seems to be quite important... I think the lady at the beginning was just a passer by and died unfortunately, when they got caught up in wtvr was happening then and "Rood" yea...
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Post by loifavl on Aug 23, 2015 17:17:57 GMT
Right. It will be a long term thing. It has to in order to keep us all in suspense. Haha. Interesting though. You think the Demon King isn't the only one reincarnated? Well, I've been thinking lately about this. Going by the second version of the prologue, the human king existed. Maybe, by chance, he could also reincarnate in this lifetime as well? He had descendants, telling by their hair colors. Maybe, there was some kind of curse or something done a long time ago? But, it would be a suspicious mysterious situation if that human king was also reborn. Unless, he had some strong desire to repay the Demon King by helping him? This would make a very interesting royal twist. The Prince could have ulterior hidden motives and try to undermine the Tower in his own way. He did tell his younger sister that "this place" isn't safe for her. He knew that the Tower is dangerous. Hm.... It would be a funny scenario if the Prince actually had memories of the human king, thus, he remembers everything. When he sees the Black Magician, he'll recognize him right away. He'll be all teary eye and go, "You're baaaack!!" Tries to hug Blow/Rood, and Blow/Rood will try to push him away as well thinking he's a lunatic crazy prince. Haha.... Anyways, thanks for bringing that up. If the Demon King's soul was brought back from wherever it was/death, there has to be a reason, right? Or, as I said before, there might be a curse or some kind of tragic spell placed on the Demon King. Maybe, both the Demon King and human king were cursed, and fated to be reborn? Er.... It definitely will be interesting if the human king came back too. More old friends reunited! As for the rest of my theory thoughts.... I mentioned that the Tower might've experimented on humans and that one chained up demon below. Rood was the only survivor, because his compatibility with the chained demon's power was 100%. And my laptop's dying, so, I'll just leave it at that. Need some time to respond to below. >___< (Sorry, again!) Oooh, I hadn't made that connection! What a great thought! I'd love a human/demon king reunion :3 So you've been running on the theory that the Demon King is the only one (or at least one of the only ones) to be reincarnated? Any thoughts on why he would've been cursed? If that's the case, I'm thinking something along the lines of being considered a traitor for saving the humans when the demons attacked, and being cursed to live as one. But who (or what) would have that power? So far it seems like the Demon King(s?) has the highest power ... I suppose it's possible that it was a God. Maybe their God has a definite existence. But then why didn't the God help the humans when they were attacked, and why would he curse the one that saved them? Hmm ... Perhaps it's a sort of Noah's Ark scenario. Like God was trying to cleanse the human race. But then the Demon King stepped in and ruined that, so the God cursed him, forcing him to endure the world that he protected. I think I'm probably reaching too far with that last section. Have you got any theories on what would have done the cursing, if it were a curse? Actually, we've already been shown the existence of two separate worlds, connected through the Doors. What if there's an underworld-style place, also connected through the Doors? So then regular people would be trapped there upon dying, but the Demon King is capable of leaving through the creation of a mini-Door. Still, the exertion required to create this Door are too great for him to let any others out alongside him or to create a permanent Door. His old physical body is destroyed, so his soul ends up in the body of a dead human and this is just getting more and more farfetched so I think I'll stop ^^; Aghhh TG nooooo! I was hoping it'd be a case of 'third time lucky', but my hopes were thwarted again! Oh well, you've definitely got me thinking again oh my god... so much deep thoughts going on... I should learn from you and start thinking deeper into the plot T^T but yea good analysis sounds reasonable
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Post by tg on Aug 24, 2015 6:19:25 GMT
Oooh, I hadn't made that connection! What a great thought! I'd love a human/demon king reunion :3 So you've been running on the theory that the Demon King is the only one (or at least one of the only ones) to be reincarnated? Any thoughts on why he would've been cursed? If that's the case, I'm thinking something along the lines of being considered a traitor for saving the humans when the demons attacked, and being cursed to live as one. But who (or what) would have that power? So far it seems like the Demon King(s?) has the highest power ... I suppose it's possible that it was a God. Maybe their God has a definite existence. But then why didn't the God help the humans when they were attacked, and why would he curse the one that saved them? Hmm ... Perhaps it's a sort of Noah's Ark scenario. Like God was trying to cleanse the human race. But then the Demon King stepped in and ruined that, so the God cursed him, forcing him to endure the world that he protected. I think I'm probably reaching too far with that last section. Have you got any theories on what would have done the cursing, if it were a curse? Actually, we've already been shown the existence of two separate worlds, connected through the Doors. What if there's an underworld-style place, also connected through the Doors? So then regular people would be trapped there upon dying, but the Demon King is capable of leaving through the creation of a mini-Door. Still, the exertion required to create this Door are too great for him to let any others out alongside him or to create a permanent Door. His old physical body is destroyed, so his soul ends up in the body of a dead human and this is just getting more and more farfetched so I think I'll stop ^^; Aghhh TG nooooo! I was hoping it'd be a case of 'third time lucky', but my hopes were thwarted again! Oh well, you've definitely got me thinking again Yep. The human king and Demon King reunion would be awesome. You made a good theory as to why he could be turned into a human for saving the humans. I can see it go that way. You're also using God as a possible source for that change, if he is in fact, acknowledged in the story once more. Here are my own thoughts. I theorize the Demon King may have sacrificed his life to save the humans. The fairytale prologue mentioned what happened to the evil demons, but they never mentioned what happened to the true hero of the humans. It never said what happened to the Demon King. The fairytale covered "Demon King" with "God". However, what if God did exist in this story? What if the Demon King met God, and God was touched by the Demon King's act and turned him into a human? Before you go, "waaait-a-minute!? God's reward to the Demon King is turn him into a human??" Now, what if the Demon King wanted it this way? What if he really didn't want his power any more, and was willing to pass it down the royal line? Maybe, as an act of atonement that the demons ravaged the human world? Then, this outcome wouldn't be a curse now, would it? However, for the fairytale prologue to have a real happy ending, all the evil demons have to either be killed or returned to the demon world, right? But, they weren't, which is what makes this fairytale funny. This fairytale didn't have a happy ending. Just a fairytale reason as to why humans now have powers and magic marks on their bodies. So, another what if theory would be the tragedy or cursed one. The Demon King sacrificed himself to save the humans leads to reincarnation on God's term. I'm repeating this simple tragedy theory, but with a twist. What if a certain loyal demon to the King didn't want that to happen? The Demon King casted a spell in the human world to give certain humans powers to fend off any evil demons, but at the expense of his own life. He became very weak and died. The loyal demon hated the humans for this. He might've created a spell where it would preserve the Demon King's soul, but since the King died in the human world, it would have to be recycled among the human souls. The Demon King's power would find its way back to the demon world since its original owner passed away. So, the loyal demon waited for the day when the Demon King would return to the world. In the meantime, the humans craved for more power so they captured a humongous demon, formed the Tower and sucked the demon bone dry of his abilities. Hence, we get the Tower known today for any horrible experiments. But, this theory still doesn't include the human king and a curse. Well, the human king might've died naturally in life, went to Heaven, and somehow got his soul to go through a cycle of rebirth? Could be just that simple of a reason. But, it's too much of a coincidence for a prince (look-alike descendant) and Rood to show up together. The human king might've had a tragic ending to his life when someone felt that he was too close to the Demon King. A friendship between the human king and the king of demons must have sounded blasphemous to the humans of that time. So, the human king may have ended up being locked away, while the rest of his family were forced to replace his own existence. Then, the true story was fabricated to make it sound like the human king got God to grant him a miracle. You'll never know.... History tends to be twisted even in real life. So, the human king passed away in prison not knowing how much some of his people would start screwing around with nature's balance. If he was ever reborn, he may try to set things right starting with the Tower. >__> But wait! I still didn't say "curse"? Maybe, the humans made their own curse by forgetting about the Demon King, twisting their own history, capturing the huge demon, forming Tower, and doing experiments? So, this endless cycle of the Tower's sins (ironically) will have to be put to a halt by the reincarnations of those, who were involved with the beginning of everything. As for Meredith, Tower's Founder, I have a feeling he lived a loooong time. His cute childish appearance can be deceiving. Adding on top of all these theories, since you mentioned the Door, we have to figure out who was it that opened the door to the "Demon World". A human? (Possibility of other worlds, besides human and demon worlds?) And I'm running out of time/batt. juice again. Until tomorrow.... ^___^ *salutes* oh my god... so much deep thoughts going on... I should learn from you and start thinking deeper into the plot T^T but yea good analysis sounds reasonable If you want some advice, I can recommend you to find manga/manhwa and video games that are easily not so straight-forward. Years of theorizing so long is what brings out the inner analyst in you.
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Post by eriso on Aug 25, 2015 13:40:47 GMT
Oooh, I hadn't made that connection! What a great thought! I'd love a human/demon king reunion :3 So you've been running on the theory that the Demon King is the only one (or at least one of the only ones) to be reincarnated? Any thoughts on why he would've been cursed? If that's the case, I'm thinking something along the lines of being considered a traitor for saving the humans when the demons attacked, and being cursed to live as one. But who (or what) would have that power? So far it seems like the Demon King(s?) has the highest power ... I suppose it's possible that it was a God. Maybe their God has a definite existence. But then why didn't the God help the humans when they were attacked, and why would he curse the one that saved them? Hmm ... Perhaps it's a sort of Noah's Ark scenario. Like God was trying to cleanse the human race. But then the Demon King stepped in and ruined that, so the God cursed him, forcing him to endure the world that he protected. I think I'm probably reaching too far with that last section. Have you got any theories on what would have done the cursing, if it were a curse? Actually, we've already been shown the existence of two separate worlds, connected through the Doors. What if there's an underworld-style place, also connected through the Doors? So then regular people would be trapped there upon dying, but the Demon King is capable of leaving through the creation of a mini-Door. Still, the exertion required to create this Door are too great for him to let any others out alongside him or to create a permanent Door. His old physical body is destroyed, so his soul ends up in the body of a dead human and this is just getting more and more farfetched so I think I'll stop ^^; Aghhh TG nooooo! I was hoping it'd be a case of 'third time lucky', but my hopes were thwarted again! Oh well, you've definitely got me thinking again :) Yep. The human king and Demon King reunion would be awesome. :) You made a good theory as to why he could be turned into a human for saving the humans. I can see it go that way. You're also using God as a possible source for that change, if he is in fact, acknowledged in the story once more. Here are my own thoughts. I theorize the Demon King may have sacrificed his life to save the humans. The fairytale prologue mentioned what happened to the evil demons, but they never mentioned what happened to the true hero of the humans. It never said what happened to the Demon King. The fairytale covered "Demon King" with "God". However, what if God did exist in this story? What if the Demon King met God, and God was touched by the Demon King's act and turned him into a human? Before you go, "waaait-a-minute!? God's reward to the Demon King is turn him into a human??" Now, what if the Demon King wanted it this way? What if he really didn't want his power any more, and was willing to pass it down the royal line? Maybe, as an act of atonement that the demons ravaged the human world? Then, this outcome wouldn't be a curse now, would it? ;) However, for the fairytale prologue to have a real happy ending, all the evil demons have to either be killed or returned to the demon world, right? But, they weren't, which is what makes this fairytale funny. This fairytale didn't have a happy ending. Just a fairytale reason as to why humans now have powers and magic marks on their bodies. So, another what if theory would be the tragedy or cursed one. The Demon King sacrificed himself to save the humans leads to reincarnation on God's term. I'm repeating this simple tragedy theory, but with a twist. What if a certain loyal demon to the King didn't want that to happen? The Demon King casted a spell in the human world to give certain humans powers to fend off any evil demons, but at the expense of his own life. He became very weak and died. The loyal demon hated the humans for this. He might've created a spell where it would preserve the Demon King's soul, but since the King died in the human world, it would have to be recycled among the human souls. The Demon King's power would find its way back to the demon world since its original owner passed away. So, the loyal demon waited for the day when the Demon King would return to the world. In the meantime, the humans craved for more power so they captured a humongous demon, formed the Tower and sucked the demon bone dry of his abilities. Hence, we get the Tower known today for any horrible experiments. But, this theory still doesn't include the human king and a curse. Well, the human king might've died naturally in life, went to Heaven, and somehow got his soul to go through a cycle of rebirth? Could be just that simple of a reason. But, it's too much of a coincidence for a prince (look-alike descendant) and Rood to show up together. The human king might've had a tragic ending to his life when someone felt that he was too close to the Demon King. A friendship between the human king and the king of demons must have sounded blasphemous to the humans of that time. So, the human king may have ended up being locked away, while the rest of his family were forced to replace his own existence. Then, the true story was fabricated to make it sound like the human king got God to grant him a miracle. You'll never know.... History tends to be twisted even in real life. ;) So, the human king passed away in prison not knowing how much some of his people would start screwing around with nature's balance. If he was ever reborn, he may try to set things right starting with the Tower. >__> But wait! I still didn't say "curse"? Maybe, the humans made their own curse by forgetting about the Demon King, twisting their own history, capturing the huge demon, forming Tower, and doing experiments? So, this endless cycle of the Tower's sins (ironically) will have to be put to a halt by the reincarnations of those, who were involved with the beginning of everything. As for Meredith, Tower's Founder, I have a feeling he lived a loooong time. His cute childish appearance can be deceiving. Adding on top of all these theories, since you mentioned the Door, we have to figure out who was it that opened the door to the "Demon World". A human? (Possibility of other worlds, besides human and demon worlds?) And I'm running out of time/batt. juice again. Until tomorrow.... ^___^ *salutes* oh my god... so much deep thoughts going on... I should learn from you and start thinking deeper into the plot T^T but yea good analysis :D sounds reasonable If you want some advice, I can recommend you to find manga/manhwa and video games that are easily not so straight-forward. Years of theorizing so long is what brings out the inner analyst in you. ;) I do think God might be making another appearance in this - remember that Yong Yong has actually updated the prologue, taking out the section on the Demon King and making out that it was just God (at least, I think, judging by the pictures and the shape of the script ...). So God's been made slightly more central from the beginning. That's sounding good! It comes across as a strange curse really, letting him become what he wants to protect. A gift is an interesting take on it. Also, I imagine the Demon King might've been kinda torn up by having to kill his own species to save the humans. Maybe he was drowning in guilt and just wanted to forget everything, so he was given that chance. Hm, I'd never thought of it as a fairy tale before. More of a legend than anything. But running with the fairy tale concept, if you think of the Grimms' Fairy Tales, none of them ever have happy endings. They're always twisted and dark. So this actually lends credit to the tragedy theory. What if it weren't just one loyal demon? What if it were a group? In fact, what if it were Dio, Rubymonter and co? After all, Dio pretty much hero-worships the King, and Ruby was looking pretty upset in the 'He would've remembered me' scene. So what if they've also partly come to the human world to try and find out what happened to him, and to serve him once again? It’d also explain how little reverence Ruby has for human lives. Ah, and if the King's power returned to the demon world, it would explain why Rood only resembles him in Blow form, if it's true that magicians cease to be human when they Awaken ... Hmm about that humongous demon ... Not sure how the humans would have captured it so easily. There's something distinctly 'not normal and very plot-relevant’ and its appearance. Perhaps there was a war in the demon world between this demon and the Demon King, and this was part of what weakened the King so much, leading to his death? Perhaps it was trying to overthrow him and take power. So maybe one of the King's final acts was to seal the demon away and protect the world(s) from it. So perhaps we’ll get a future arc in which this demon is freed, and its hatred of humans is hugely increased for the time it’s spent trapped by them. Or the Human King and Demon King could’ve been such close friends that the HK took his own life upon hearing what had happened to the DK. And then DK refused to be reborn unless his closest friend was alongside him (unlikely, but I wanna see them being all friendly with each other so much!) Or, you know, it could just be a case of serious inbreeding amongst royalty. That’d explain the mutant colour-changing hair, too XD I like the blasphemous friendship idea :) You’re definitely right about history. Perhaps the woman in the opening had somehow been there for all the events, and that was how she knew about it being the Demon King that saved the humans. Perhaps the woman in the opening is God. Anyway if we’re bringing the Prince into it, I wonder if the Princess had any serious role in a past life. Who knows, maybe she’s the reincarnation of the Human King instead. She does seem to love demons, after all (or at least Ming-Ming :P). If the Human King were just lucky enough to have his soul get another chance, I think it’s more likely that everyone is reincarnated. Hey, here’s one to mess with the mind: What if the reincarnation isn’t chronological? And from there, what if every single character is just a reincarnation of the Demon King? The further along his personal timeline, the less power the reincarnation has. Rood’s powerful because he’s the very first reincarnation :> Ooh I’d like to see Rood and the Prince recovering their memories alongside each other. The Tower would turn the Black Magician into a public enemy, but then after a bit the Prince would realise who he was and support him, turning against the Tower with him. That wouldn’t be a curse of all of the humans, though. That would only directly involve the magicians of the Tower, which are probably only a tiny percentage of the population. I think it’s more likely that the curse would be focused either on an individual (eg the Demon King) or an entire race (or perhaps everyone!) I think you’re right about Meredith. There’s something very unnerving about that innocent face … From the prologue, I got the impression that it was the Human King that opened the Door. Although now I’m thinking it could have been the huge demon that the Tower captured. Perhaps the opening of the Door was part of its attempt at overthrowing the Demon King. Still, we’re told that only the King of the Demons can open/close a Door, soooo …:/ Hah, other worlds are something I’ve been thinking about. It ties in pretty deeply with a fanfic piece I’ve been writing though, so I haven’t wanted to go into too much detail with my ideas there at risk of spoiling future plot XD I might anyway though! This is too much fun! What’s going on with that poor battery? :3 I’m getting into this theorising business haha
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Post by eriso on Aug 25, 2015 13:43:11 GMT
Oooh, I hadn't made that connection! What a great thought! I'd love a human/demon king reunion :3 So you've been running on the theory that the Demon King is the only one (or at least one of the only ones) to be reincarnated? Any thoughts on why he would've been cursed? If that's the case, I'm thinking something along the lines of being considered a traitor for saving the humans when the demons attacked, and being cursed to live as one. But who (or what) would have that power? So far it seems like the Demon King(s?) has the highest power ... I suppose it's possible that it was a God. Maybe their God has a definite existence. But then why didn't the God help the humans when they were attacked, and why would he curse the one that saved them? Hmm ... Perhaps it's a sort of Noah's Ark scenario. Like God was trying to cleanse the human race. But then the Demon King stepped in and ruined that, so the God cursed him, forcing him to endure the world that he protected. I think I'm probably reaching too far with that last section. Have you got any theories on what would have done the cursing, if it were a curse? Actually, we've already been shown the existence of two separate worlds, connected through the Doors. What if there's an underworld-style place, also connected through the Doors? So then regular people would be trapped there upon dying, but the Demon King is capable of leaving through the creation of a mini-Door. Still, the exertion required to create this Door are too great for him to let any others out alongside him or to create a permanent Door. His old physical body is destroyed, so his soul ends up in the body of a dead human and this is just getting more and more farfetched so I think I'll stop ^^; Aghhh TG nooooo! I was hoping it'd be a case of 'third time lucky', but my hopes were thwarted again! Oh well, you've definitely got me thinking again :) oh my god... so much deep thoughts going on... I should learn from you and start thinking deeper into the plot T^T but yea good analysis :D sounds reasonable Haha feel free to throw some thoughts out! The more the merrier :P
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Post by cecilia on Aug 25, 2015 21:01:27 GMT
Yep. The human king and Demon King reunion would be awesome. You made a good theory as to why he could be turned into a human for saving the humans. I can see it go that way. You're also using God as a possible source for that change, if he is in fact, acknowledged in the story once more. Here are my own thoughts. I theorize the Demon King may have sacrificed his life to save the humans. The fairytale prologue mentioned what happened to the evil demons, but they never mentioned what happened to the true hero of the humans. It never said what happened to the Demon King. The fairytale covered "Demon King" with "God". However, what if God did exist in this story? What if the Demon King met God, and God was touched by the Demon King's act and turned him into a human? Before you go, "waaait-a-minute!? God's reward to the Demon King is turn him into a human??" Now, what if the Demon King wanted it this way? What if he really didn't want his power any more, and was willing to pass it down the royal line? Maybe, as an act of atonement that the demons ravaged the human world? Then, this outcome wouldn't be a curse now, would it? However, for the fairytale prologue to have a real happy ending, all the evil demons have to either be killed or returned to the demon world, right? But, they weren't, which is what makes this fairytale funny. This fairytale didn't have a happy ending. Just a fairytale reason as to why humans now have powers and magic marks on their bodies. So, another what if theory would be the tragedy or cursed one. The Demon King sacrificed himself to save the humans leads to reincarnation on God's term. I'm repeating this simple tragedy theory, but with a twist. What if a certain loyal demon to the King didn't want that to happen? The Demon King casted a spell in the human world to give certain humans powers to fend off any evil demons, but at the expense of his own life. He became very weak and died. The loyal demon hated the humans for this. He might've created a spell where it would preserve the Demon King's soul, but since the King died in the human world, it would have to be recycled among the human souls. The Demon King's power would find its way back to the demon world since its original owner passed away. So, the loyal demon waited for the day when the Demon King would return to the world. In the meantime, the humans craved for more power so they captured a humongous demon, formed the Tower and sucked the demon bone dry of his abilities. Hence, we get the Tower known today for any horrible experiments. But, this theory still doesn't include the human king and a curse. Well, the human king might've died naturally in life, went to Heaven, and somehow got his soul to go through a cycle of rebirth? Could be just that simple of a reason. But, it's too much of a coincidence for a prince (look-alike descendant) and Rood to show up together. The human king might've had a tragic ending to his life when someone felt that he was too close to the Demon King. A friendship between the human king and the king of demons must have sounded blasphemous to the humans of that time. So, the human king may have ended up being locked away, while the rest of his family were forced to replace his own existence. Then, the true story was fabricated to make it sound like the human king got God to grant him a miracle. You'll never know.... History tends to be twisted even in real life. So, the human king passed away in prison not knowing how much some of his people would start screwing around with nature's balance. If he was ever reborn, he may try to set things right starting with the Tower. >__> But wait! I still didn't say "curse"? Maybe, the humans made their own curse by forgetting about the Demon King, twisting their own history, capturing the huge demon, forming Tower, and doing experiments? So, this endless cycle of the Tower's sins (ironically) will have to be put to a halt by the reincarnations of those, who were involved with the beginning of everything. As for Meredith, Tower's Founder, I have a feeling he lived a loooong time. His cute childish appearance can be deceiving. Adding on top of all these theories, since you mentioned the Door, we have to figure out who was it that opened the door to the "Demon World". A human? (Possibility of other worlds, besides human and demon worlds?) And I'm running out of time/batt. juice again. Until tomorrow.... ^___^ *salutes* If you want some advice, I can recommend you to find manga/manhwa and video games that are easily not so straight-forward. Years of theorizing so long is what brings out the inner analyst in you. I do think God might be making another appearance in this - remember that Yong Yong has actually updated the prologue, taking out the section on the Demon King and making out that it was just God (at least, I think, judging by the pictures and the shape of the script ...). So God's been made slightly more central from the beginning. That's sounding good! It comes across as a strange curse really, letting him become what he wants to protect. A gift is an interesting take on it. Also, I imagine the Demon King might've been kinda torn up by having to kill his own species to save the humans. Maybe he was drowning in guilt and just wanted to forget everything, so he was given that chance. Hm, I'd never thought of it as a fairy tale before. More of a legend than anything. But running with the fairy tale concept, if you think of the Grimms' Fairy Tales, none of them ever have happy endings. They're always twisted and dark. So this actually lends credit to the tragedy theory. What if it weren't just one loyal demon? What if it were a group? In fact, what if it were Dio, Rubymonter and co? After all, Dio pretty much hero-worships the King, and Ruby was looking pretty upset in the 'He would've remembered me' scene. So what if they've also partly come to the human world to try and find out what happened to him, and to serve him once again? It’d also explain how little reverence Ruby has for human lives. Ah, and if the King's power returned to the demon world, it would explain why Rood only resembles him in Blow form, if it's true that magicians cease to be human when they Awaken ... Hmm about that humongous demon ... Not sure how the humans would have captured it so easily. There's something distinctly 'not normal and very plot-relevant’ and its appearance. Perhaps there was a war in the demon world between this demon and the Demon King, and this was part of what weakened the King so much, leading to his death? Perhaps it was trying to overthrow him and take power. So maybe one of the King's final acts was to seal the demon away and protect the world(s) from it. So perhaps we’ll get a future arc in which this demon is freed, and its hatred of humans is hugely increased for the time it’s spent trapped by them. Or the Human King and Demon King could’ve been such close friends that the HK took his own life upon hearing what had happened to the DK. And then DK refused to be reborn unless his closest friend was alongside him (unlikely, but I wanna see them being all friendly with each other so much!) Or, you know, it could just be a case of serious inbreeding amongst royalty. That’d explain the mutant colour-changing hair, too XD I like the blasphemous friendship idea You’re definitely right about history. Perhaps the woman in the opening had somehow been there for all the events, and that was how she knew about it being the Demon King that saved the humans. Perhaps the woman in the opening is God. Anyway if we’re bringing the Prince into it, I wonder if the Princess had any serious role in a past life. Who knows, maybe she’s the reincarnation of the Human King instead. She does seem to love demons, after all (or at least Ming-Ming ). If the Human King were just lucky enough to have his soul get another chance, I think it’s more likely that everyone is reincarnated. Hey, here’s one to mess with the mind: What if the reincarnation isn’t chronological? And from there, what if every single character is just a reincarnation of the Demon King? The further along his personal timeline, the less power the reincarnation has. Rood’s powerful because he’s the very first reincarnation :> Ooh I’d like to see Rood and the Prince recovering their memories alongside each other. The Tower would turn the Black Magician into a public enemy, but then after a bit the Prince would realise who he was and support him, turning against the Tower with him. That wouldn’t be a curse of all of the humans, though. That would only directly involve the magicians of the Tower, which are probably only a tiny percentage of the population. I think it’s more likely that the curse would be focused either on an individual (eg the Demon King) or an entire race (or perhaps everyone!) I think you’re right about Meredith. There’s something very unnerving about that innocent face … From the prologue, I got the impression that it was the Human King that opened the Door. Although now I’m thinking it could have been the huge demon that the Tower captured. Perhaps the opening of the Door was part of its attempt at overthrowing the Demon King. Still, we’re told that only the King of the Demons can open/close a Door, soooo …:/ Hah, other worlds are something I’ve been thinking about. It ties in pretty deeply with a fanfic piece I’ve been writing though, so I haven’t wanted to go into too much detail with my ideas there at risk of spoiling future plot XD I might anyway though! This is too much fun! What’s going on with that poor battery? :3 I’m getting into this theorising business haha wow that is a lot of text but yet i agree with almost every word
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